Holy fucked up healthcare reform Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

No shit it is.....so maybe just by informing you that I'm employed as a trainer that teaches people about the intricate details of the SCHIP program and how it's used here in FL will make you understand.....

True story - years ago, I knew a girl who was working as a grade school teacher. In a conversation with her and her boyfriend, somehow Hitler was mentioned. Her response to hearing his name: "Hitler....who was he again? I know he did something bad..." So being employed as a teacher didn't inherently mean she was smarter than anyone else - in fact, she was far stupider than most. Obviously. So knowing what you do for a living doesn't make me understand your points any more clearly, but it does terrify the crap out of me. All I can use to reach any conclusions about your positions is what you've posted here, and all you've posted here so far have been theories that you don't seem to be able to back up with anything of substance. To fall back on "well I train people about this stuff" after posting such easily debunked positions and evidence does nothing but explain to me why people seem to be so misinformed as this national debate (if it even deserves such a reasonable moniker) rages on.

As for your claims that "everything Betsy McCaughey said was actually very empirical; and she did a great job of proving every argument with facts" - the tricky thing about using empirical evidence and facts is that they have to actually support your point to be effective. Despite how "obvious" it is to you that I didn't, I did watch the entire interview, and sure, McCaughey read excerpts of the legislation in question, but none of what she read actually said what she claimed it did. Kind of like your arguments here so far. You quoted some out of context questions and answers from the KidCare website as "evidence" of how we're - in your words - "legally opening up all of our medical resources to what essentially amounts to the entire country of Mexico", but as soon as I went to the site myself, I found that the first sentence there (which you conveniently excluded) said "In general, children eligible for Florida KidCare must be U.S. citizens", and then went on to outline the very reasonable exceptions to that rule. So just because you quote something that's real doesn't inherently mean it supports your own (or Betsy's own) subsequent, unrelated, bizarre leaps in logic. That's not proving your points with empirical facts, that's spinning empirical facts into whatever happens to suit your purposes. And it doesn't help that you throw in little details like claiming the audience at the Daily Show is paid when the fact is, tickets to the show are free. But I guess why should facts get in the way of that claim by you any more than they have with anything else?

I'll start taking you and your claims more seriously when you offer at least one, single, reliable source of information that actually backs you up. So far, you have not, and neither has anyone on your side of the argument that I've been listening to for the past few months on this. The biggest common tactics we do hear from your side is to call your opposition "sheep" or "Nazis", to make up scary names like "death panels", and to shout down anyone who disagrees while calling them "liars" and such. Facts simply don't seem to be entering into it. All you've done here in the face of direct questions and points is either not respond at all, link to user-driven sites like wikipedia as well as other sites that upon investigation don't actually substantiate your claims, quote stuff out of context, or fall back on informing us that you're employed as a trainer that teaches people about the intricate details of the SCHIP program. I won't take what you say on pure faith any more than I ever would from anyone else, and that's all you've asked me to do so far. So bring some substance to the table, and maybe this thread can be worthwhile.