moderators editing members posts

[Deckard]

I've typed and deleted my message here 3 times. Fek's sake, that's more than I normally do in an argument with Sean.

It's not about being scared to say anything, it's about whether what I will say will help move things on or make things worse. And, umm, I think it may be the latter, even if I sent it by PM.

Yeah pointless post, but anyway....

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by gambit

Man, I haven't stepped into this shit since it started. But this is getting way out of hand, cacophony, when you go after BB repeatedly after she's apologized. Bear in mind, I agree with you on most things you argue about in world and certainly with the recent "GWB hates women" thread and the moderator editing. But, pardon my language, you are way out of fucking line here, cacophony. You're turning into an unbearable asshole, which is unfortunate because you're intelligent and engaged in actual discussions here. I'm a writer myself, so I'm with you all the way about someone else editing your words or someone else's words, but fuck. You're beating a dead horse here. BB's apologized, dubman's seen the error of his ways. They've learned their lesson, now move along please.

i already pointed out my mistake in continuing the argument with BB after she explained her involvement. it's clear she's not the one who was in the wrong. as i said, i wish the effort to rectify the problem had included a moderator note but that's pretty small potatoes in light of things.

and just to make my point further, i don't mind if you express your opinion that i'm turning into an unbearable asshole. it would bother me just as badly if someone came in and edited your post to remove the ad hominem remark, even though it's directed towards me.

and i don't agree that dubman has seen the errors of his ways. i think it's an issue that i take with greater seriousness than he does. that's fine, i made light of locking the thread. but it's one thing to make light of the issue when you're not the one wielding the power. i can laugh at locking threads all day long. but i can't actually lock a thread.


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Originally Posted by dubman

well i think the concern is legitimate, but since the only mods who bother here are BB and myself, it could have been addressed this time though PM, where i could backpedal some more and admit that, yes, conceptually its a crappy thing to do. and as much as it wasnt insignificant but a board-wide joke i thought everyone would get, i can see the yellow card a-comin for it.
but it was a thread, and a shouty one full of flouncing and super-drama, so it made me also think that realistically, none of this crap is warranted, so i got glib. it's on you people at some point for whats ridiculous on this board.

i replied before seeing this post. now i think you've seen the error of your ways.

[Professor]

give the girl the power. that's my vote

[Sean]

Originally Posted by dubman

eeugh, theres nothing to handle
you were agreeing with the idea of closing the thread, but if seans not going to let it go for the childish play it was, that idea's going to apply here too.

Whoa - hold the phone there, Champ. Sorry, but did you actually just say "if seans not going to let it go for the childish play it was"? Really? All I said was that I "didn't appreciate it" in a thread about moderators editing member posts for no good reason. Did I come out swinging over it? Did I get on your case about it? Did I call for your head? No, no, and no.

Look, I recognized it was meant as a joke in response to my original light-hearted post. That's why this was the first time I even mentioned it despite the fact that I discovered you did it days ago. But on another level, it was a joke I didn't appreciate because it did appear in MY POST, appearing as if it was MY WORDS. You could've delivered it as a reply that quoted me as everyone else here is capable of doing, but instead you actually used your moderator privileges to go into my account and mess with what I wrote because you thought it'd be cute. Whatever...I have a life that's far, far, far more important than this place, but I do reserve the right to call you out on it and let the forum community at large know that you're someone to beware of in this regard. Many people, myself included, may feel a bit more hesitant to participate around here knowing that a moderator may change your posts for their own amusement without telling you, and will then talk smack about you when you bring it up. If that's an overblown thing to want to be aware of, then so be it. But as far as I can see, things are a bit more delicate here in the world forums due to the frequently sensitive nature of the discussions we have here - racism, religion, misogyny, etc. - things that you typically want to make sure you choose your words carefully for, and that you'd hope your words wouldn't be changed by a stranger about.

So seriously, don't act as if I'm making this into something it's not. And don't get on me for "not letting it go" when you haven't even displayed the minimal decency and maturity it would require to say something to me along the lines of "yeah...sorry 'bout that". Somehow, starting right in with a post about how I just "won't let it go" doesn't have the same affect as a simple apology....

Originally Posted by dubman

since the only mods who bother here are BB and myself, it could have been addressed this time though PM

Why would anyone send you a pm about something as you say they should here, after you publicly lashed out at Strangelet over the one he sent you?

[dubman]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i replied before seeing this post. now i think you've seen the error of your ways.

gimme cookie.

ok ok.
but this isnt a before-and-after thing. the position hasnt changed, i was just saying how you want to present it chnages how i'm going to react to it, which isnt unreasonable. there's a difference between a PM and threatening to leave the board and calling for 'resignation'.
as professor hinted at, edits happen to posts all the time by moderators fiddling around. they're mostly good natured. you should have seen the escalating sig-altering dorkery between myself and BLD. i've had my profile and sig changed by yannick and tom. i've had tom edit thread titles basically calling me a faggot. the latter hit a minor nerve but it was ultimately just fun n games and doesnt mean that peoples writerly words are being misrepresented. what basically happened here was "woe be unto the one that treats the world board with this flippant levity."
it happens in all the other boards and didnt see how the world board was supposed to be exempt from these same "shenanigans" because it's oh-so-much-more serious
which its why it's rather hard to apply words like "responsibility" to modship here. ok, youve got different rules, like any politics forum does in a general messageboard. and applying what happens to every other board here doesnt work for you guys. fine. i've said before i'll let janie handle the editing, locking, and otherwise writerly perversions you think dangle precariously on world tyranny.
but this is still overblown and at this point more drama has been made than what i can be responsible for.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Why would anyone send you a pm about something as you say they should here, after you publicly lashed out at Strangelet over the one he sent you?

because i was anticipating more and wasnt having it. i wouldnt have posted it if it didnt end in "lets group hug". wtf? why? no. and i saw myself getting more of them with people looking to keep the same division but insisting it's all healed over now. again, no.

but as for that other stuff yeah it was probably a cheap shot. you write so much and hold so much back tho, it's funny. makes the terse posts you do make seem like theyre waiting for someone else with less manners to pick up the umbrage for you.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by gambit

...You're turning into an unbearable asshole,...

HEY! Wait minute, that's MY designation!

You've gone too far gambit. And if I had my smiley thingys I'd put on the the happy ones here.

*******

Did someone say cyber-facism somewhere back there?

And none of this "It's for your own good, you'll be more careful with your choice of words" BS!!!!

*******

ooops, just took Sarcasmo's advice and re-read the crazy thread (hey, that rhymes. I GONNA BE A RAP STAR!!!)
You're not really behind the disappearing smiley thing? OMG, it's the same aliens that are fucking with the world's missiles!)
I think I just may have extended my restriction and probably a lowering of allowance.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by dubman

because i was anticipating more and wasnt having it. i wouldnt have posted it if it didnt end in "lets group hug". wtf? why? no. and i saw myself getting more of them with people looking to keep the same division but insisting it's all healed over now. again, no.

So then it's on us to recognize whether you'll deem our messages worthy of being a pm to you or not, and if we guess wrong, then we can expect public belittlement?

Originally Posted by dubman

but as for that other stuff yeah it was probably a cheap shot. you write so much and hold so much back tho, it's funny. makes the terse posts you do make seem like theyre waiting for someone else with less manners to pick up the umbrage for you.

Wow. You managed to deliver an even less effective apology than my suggestion of a simple "yeah...sorry 'bout that". Well done.

And I don't try to bait anyone. I say what I think and mean and you all can reply however you'd like. Yeah, I tend to avoid diving straight into name-calling because it generally misses the point 100%. Instead, I opt to make a smart-ass comment that's actually in regards to the subject at hand. You handle it differently. Great. Thus my post in the GWB thread about me feeling that you were "out of your depth" based on your arguments, and your reply to it which was to call me an "asshole".

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by dubman

as professor hinted at, edits happen to posts all the time by moderators fiddling around. they're mostly good natured. you should have seen the escalating sig-altering dorkery between myself and BLD. i've had my profile and sig changed by yannick and tom. i've had tom edit thread titles basically calling me a faggot. the latter hit a minor nerve but it was ultimately just fun n games and doesnt mean that peoples writerly words are being misrepresented.

that's great if you guys are fine with that. i'm not. i post in 2 forums: world and underworld. on the very very very rare occasion i might venture out but we're talking probably fewer than 10 posts outside of world and underworld in all of the years i've been a member here.

it's a matter of forum characteristics. i used to run a forum on my own server years ago, and it was a comparatively small group of close friends just yucking it up for kicks. i made everyone a moderator specifically because editing each others' posts was a game we played.

it's all about context. it's not black and white, cut and dried.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thus my post in the GWB thread about me feeling that you were "out of your depth" based on your arguments, and your reply to it which was to call me an "asshole".

to be fair, i found your remark to him about being out of his depth to be just as insulting as the "asshole" retort.

just another unsolicited opinion.