Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?

[happiness stan]

Originally Posted by Butcher of Bakersfield

no, because i didn't download the thing.

I'm with you, I can wait.
Getting the leaked version ruins the event for me.

[jrmint]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

alternately, its about seeing a post on a message board, logging into your fav. torrent site, see the album you've been waiting to leak finally being shared, download immediately, watch with your heart pounding as the progress bar successfully reveals with each passing second more and more bits of data coming together in that newly created folder, piecing together the sounds you've waiting 5 long years to hear. you see a link to a high quailty jpg. you flip through the tour book you bought at one of the recent live shows. actually several times larger than the cd booklet. you follow links to reviews and message board discussions already occuring with the hundreds who already downloaded while you were sleeping. they're 3 pages into a discussion about the album already so you better catch up. since you don't have to rip the audio to mp3 you just stick it on your media player of choice and begin listening non-stop. you join the conversation that's already in full flow. you participate in dissecting the album, the artwork, diff. versions etc.

this quote is a beauty, i'm speechless! and that's how it's done nowadays..

[holden]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

1. who said anything about not paying? i've already paid for 3 diff. versions of this album. if you're posting to the Underworld message boards, the odds are good you're enough of a fan to buy their albums. .

You've said this before, and no one's doubting you're a fan who will support the band by paying. But this argument is weak. It would be like saying, i have a shopping cart full of food i'm buying, so i'm entitled to an extra bag of chips. I don't care if you bought 50 copies of the album. Did you pay for the one you downloaded? UW get no money from all the leaked copies. My suggestion is you pay then again for this copy.

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

2. ruining? you're implying that those who have heard it already have ruined the experience or something. ...

by the time those holier than thou, moral stewards have had their albums delivered or purchased from the shops, the discussion has died down and there's a seperate thread for the 3 people to repeat whats been discussed and rehashed for weeks already.

I'll agree with you that enjoyment of a new release is an individual matter, so i'm glad you are thrilled with going about it your way, and maybe that's the way many people do it in this digital age of hurry up and gimme now. I for one like a tangible product and the expectation of waiting for when something's set to be released. To each their own. But the almost- immediate gratification of downloading the leak and then talking about all elements does, in my opinion, lessen the enjoyment for those who waited. Not saying that every thread here needs a spoiler alert, and it's great to see the buzz OWB is generating. But collective (and many individual) opinions of the album have been formed before i even got a chance to listen to it. For me, that's like waiting for Christmas morning and two weeks beforehand, someone tells you what's in the packages.

By the way, feeling entitled to something for free because you've purchased so much other stuff ior are a fan is also being holier than thou. The rules apparently don't apply to everyone.

[TheBang]

I have two things to say.

First, amen, to BLD.

Originally Posted by holden

I don't care if you bought 50 copies of the album. Did you pay for the one you downloaded? UW get no money from all the leaked copies. My suggestion is you pay then again for this copy.

Secondly, this is my right under the fair use provisions of U.S. copyright law, specifically the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992.

[TheBang]

Originally Posted by holden

By the way, feeling entitled to something for free because you've purchased so much other stuff ior are a fan is also being holier than thou. The rules apparently don't apply to everyone.

I guess I had one more thing to say. I do generally agree with this sentiment. But that's neither here nor there for me, regarding downloading this album. From a moralist perspective, I feel fine (not necessarily entitled) with downloading this album, because I've already paid for it.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Fair Use, in my opinion. i've got a digital copy, degraded in quality from the original. i feel entitled to make copies of the items i purchase and i feel entitled to download without paying for lossy file formats. i'm getting digital files, they are absolutely worthless to me. i wouldn't pay for them unless that was the only format offered like the River Runs, which i paid for.

you're buying into the RIAA/MPAA's argument hook, line and sinker. the rules you say don't apply to everyone have been twisted by money hungry corprate conglomerates. i'm not interested in following their rules.

[negative1]

[quote=BrotherLovesDub]Fair Use, in my opinion. i've got a digital copy, degraded in quality from the original. i feel entitled to make copies of the items i purchase and i feel entitled to download without paying for lossy file formats. i'm getting digital files, they are absolutely worthless to me. i wouldn't pay for them unless that was the only format offered like the River Runs, which i paid for.
quote]

bld, i also agree about the downloads,

but (i'm sure) you can download the full version (lossless FLACS/WAVS)from some sites. is that against the copyright rules?

-1

[dubman]

i've paid for the product already, as echospin charges the card as you ordered.
so i paid, my money is gone, and i have no physical product.
if we wanted to do this circus that holden's trying to hold up in the face of BLD's staggeringly good post, then we could say that i'm entitled to downloading it.

[TheBang]

Originally Posted by negative1

but (i'm sure) you can download the full version (lossless FLACS/WAVS)from some sites. is that against the copyright rules?

Well, there hasn't really been any case law established for situations like this ("I downloaded it, but I already own it"). My personal feeling is that even perfect copies (like FLAC) are fine, so long as you own it, have already ordered it, or will be purchasing it "soon".

[holden]

I'm not going to convince anyone that has already downloaded it that they shouldn't have. And i doubt anyone feels guilty anyway. In fact, "yes i feel guilty" was not even an option in the poll.
I'm not falling for any circus act or recording company spin. i've downloaded plenty in the past and have felt guilty about it. To my moral code it was stealing. If it's fine by you, consider it free use, getting an inferior product, however you justify it, go for it, i surrender. But don't insult me for my views.