Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?

[BrotherLovesDub]

well, do ya? huh?

[potatobroth]

nope. i should but i dont. its a sign of the times. i had also pre-ordered the DVD package and usually end up buying more copies of the album and singles than is even necessary so i sleep well at night.

i DO feel guilty sharing it, so im more of the leecher kind. I downloaded it, but removed it from my share folder.

[holden]

I thought Scott said we'd leave the philosophy of whether or not to download the leaked copy alone.
Although, i guess if you've already made your decision to DL (and not pay), you can justify the guilt away however you want.

Patiently awaiting Oct. 16th for my preorder to arrive
i'm not ruining my UW Christmas in October

[qirex]

Downloading simply to hear the album before it comes out isn't bad at all. If anything, it should be flattering to the band that we want to hear the music that bad. I pre-oredered OWB the second it was available but I was just to anxious to hear the new music. If people are going to DL and not pay, that's their own business. The way I see it....if I DL and like it, I buy it to show support.
The guilty ones should be the ones who DL, enjoy it, and not buy.

[Butcher of Bakersfield]

no, because i didn't download the thing.

how does it feel to not be a real fan?

*ohhh, that's cold!*

[happiness stan]

Originally Posted by Butcher of Bakersfield

no, because i didn't download the thing.

I'm with you, I can wait.
Getting the leaked version ruins the event for me.

[holden]

I'm not going to convince anyone that has already downloaded it that they shouldn't have. And i doubt anyone feels guilty anyway. In fact, "yes i feel guilty" was not even an option in the poll.
I'm not falling for any circus act or recording company spin. i've downloaded plenty in the past and have felt guilty about it. To my moral code it was stealing. If it's fine by you, consider it free use, getting an inferior product, however you justify it, go for it, i surrender. But don't insult me for my views.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by holden

Although, i guess if you've already made your decision to DL (and not pay), you can justify the guilt away however you want.

Patiently awaiting Oct. 16th for my preorder to arrive
i'm not ruining my UW Christmas in October

1. who said anything about not paying? i've already paid for 3 diff. versions of this album. if you're posting to the Underworld message boards, the odds are good you're enough of a fan to buy their albums.

2. ruining? you're implying that those who have heard it already have ruined the experience or something. that's ridiculous. i'm thrilled. i haven't had this much fun walking to and from work, or listening to music at work since the Cocoon broadcast. i waited to hear the album until it leaked on thursday. that build up of 5 years was more than sufficient for me to take extreme pleasure and satisfaction in listening to Oblivion with Bells right now! i don't think waiting 2 weeks would have made a difference in my enjoyment of the album. not one time in the past 5 or 6 years have i ever wished i'd waited to hear an album that i downloaded. not one time!

but it's all about the "EXPERIENCE", the opening of the package, reading the liner notes, cutting out the pictures from Teen Beat.

alternately, its about seeing a post on a message board, logging into your fav. torrent site, see the album you've been waiting to leak finally being shared, download immediately, watch with your heart pounding as the progress bar successfully reveals with each passing second more and more bits of data coming together in that newly created folder, piecing together the sounds you've waiting 5 long years to hear. you see a link to a high quailty jpg. you flip through the tour book you bought at one of the recent live shows. actually several times larger than the cd booklet. you follow links to reviews and message board discussions already occuring with the hundreds who already downloaded while you were sleeping. they're 3 pages into a discussion about the album already so you better catch up. since you don't have to rip the audio to mp3 you just stick it on your media player of choice and begin listening non-stop. you join the conversation that's already in full flow. you participate in dissecting the album, the artwork, diff. versions etc.

by the time those holier than thou, moral stewards have had their albums delivered or purchased from the shops, the discussion has died down and there's a seperate thread for the 3 people to repeat whats been discussed and rehashed for weeks already.

enjoy.

[jrmint]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

alternately, its about seeing a post on a message board, logging into your fav. torrent site, see the album you've been waiting to leak finally being shared, download immediately, watch with your heart pounding as the progress bar successfully reveals with each passing second more and more bits of data coming together in that newly created folder, piecing together the sounds you've waiting 5 long years to hear. you see a link to a high quailty jpg. you flip through the tour book you bought at one of the recent live shows. actually several times larger than the cd booklet. you follow links to reviews and message board discussions already occuring with the hundreds who already downloaded while you were sleeping. they're 3 pages into a discussion about the album already so you better catch up. since you don't have to rip the audio to mp3 you just stick it on your media player of choice and begin listening non-stop. you join the conversation that's already in full flow. you participate in dissecting the album, the artwork, diff. versions etc.

this quote is a beauty, i'm speechless! and that's how it's done nowadays..

[holden]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

1. who said anything about not paying? i've already paid for 3 diff. versions of this album. if you're posting to the Underworld message boards, the odds are good you're enough of a fan to buy their albums. .

You've said this before, and no one's doubting you're a fan who will support the band by paying. But this argument is weak. It would be like saying, i have a shopping cart full of food i'm buying, so i'm entitled to an extra bag of chips. I don't care if you bought 50 copies of the album. Did you pay for the one you downloaded? UW get no money from all the leaked copies. My suggestion is you pay then again for this copy.

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

2. ruining? you're implying that those who have heard it already have ruined the experience or something. ...

by the time those holier than thou, moral stewards have had their albums delivered or purchased from the shops, the discussion has died down and there's a seperate thread for the 3 people to repeat whats been discussed and rehashed for weeks already.

I'll agree with you that enjoyment of a new release is an individual matter, so i'm glad you are thrilled with going about it your way, and maybe that's the way many people do it in this digital age of hurry up and gimme now. I for one like a tangible product and the expectation of waiting for when something's set to be released. To each their own. But the almost- immediate gratification of downloading the leak and then talking about all elements does, in my opinion, lessen the enjoyment for those who waited. Not saying that every thread here needs a spoiler alert, and it's great to see the buzz OWB is generating. But collective (and many individual) opinions of the album have been formed before i even got a chance to listen to it. For me, that's like waiting for Christmas morning and two weeks beforehand, someone tells you what's in the packages.

By the way, feeling entitled to something for free because you've purchased so much other stuff ior are a fan is also being holier than thou. The rules apparently don't apply to everyone.