Underworld in Writing

[Dunwho]

Some of you may remember nearly a year ago I was talking about a dissertation I was going to write for my final year studying Art History and Underworld was going to be part of that dissertation. Well that time has come and I am, after months of research and preparation now writing the damn thing and I have gotten down to the nitty gritty stuff that I am going to need a few dirts to help me out on...

...y'know the kinds of things that I know some people really pride themselves on knowing and looking into... Dates, Names, Artists, Writers etc etc...

While I am pretty set on most things there are a few specifics I will need some help to clear up and get right ......

So I hope you can all help!

First things first.. anybody know where i could find the slow motion video of the "Ball Drop" recorded by one of the tomato team and displayed at their New York art Jam and was on UWLive.com for some time....is it around? Did someone download it somehow? Can I get a copy of it?

Secondly: On youtube there is a video of Cherry Pie recorded off MTV sometime around 1996/97 .... this is the video.... does anyone have a specific date??
....Furthermore would I be right in thinking that the video itself is probably older than the music as It was originally used as a video for Rez??


This is the sort of thing I am going to be asking over the next few weeks... if it interests you Id love your help! PM me if you think you can help a bit more...

I am also still looking for any articles that refer specifically to the UW/Tomato link and the ideas/technologies behind the UnderworldLive team..

Thanks!

Dave

[TheBang]

Originally Posted by Dunwho

First things first.. anybody know where i could find the slow motion video of the "Ball Drop" recorded by one of the tomato team and displayed at their New York art Jam and was on UWLive.com for some time....is it around? Did someone download it somehow? Can I get a copy of it?

It's currently offline. Used to be on the Art Jam page (currently "coming soon"). I have a copy that I haven't processed yet. I'll see if I can get that done for you.

Originally Posted by Dunwho

Secondly: On youtube there is a video of Cherry Pie recorded off MTV sometime around 1996/97 .... this is the video.... does anyone have a specific date??
....Furthermore would I be right in thinking that the video itself is probably older than the music as It was originally used as a video for Rez??

I don't think that video is real. I think this guy just took the Rez footage, and set it to "Cherry Pie" music. The same guy did the same thing for "Crocodile" before the official Croc video came out:



Just look at that guy's YouTube channel. He's done it for all kinds of songs, mixing and matching the music and videos.

[Dunwho]

Originally Posted by TheBang

It's currently offline. Used to be on the Art Jam page (currently "coming soon"). I have a copy that I haven't processed yet. I'll see if I can get that done for you.

That would be amazing, thanks so much, I have about a month before I need to get visual material finalised.. I wish there was something i could give in return.

Originally Posted by TheBang

I don't think that video is real. I think this guy just took the Rez footage, and set it to "Cherry Pie" music. The same guy did the same thing for "Crocodile" before the official Croc video came out:

Yea I didnt want to say because I amn't sure about what they had released around that time... but i was definitely sceptical... it is about as helpful knowing that that isnt a legit video actually.. thanks for that!

[TheBang]

Here's a fairly complete list of music videos, if that helps any:

http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10969

Also, that Slow Bells balloon drop video you requested was done by Toby Vogel, not Tomato. I'm not sure if that makes a difference to your project.

[big screen satellite]

not sure if you seen these posters http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigscre...7618324933591/

click forward from this one, to view them (the entire set is for sale if anyone is interested)

basically its Tomato / Underworld live from the late 1990's 16 pictures (1 picture missing though for some reason....will try and reupload it)

this one particularly tomato relevant: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigscre...7618324933591/

finally, of interest after these pictures is a rare Calendar / Letter graphically doodled by Karl Hyde in 1984... not necessarily of value to the project you're on but neat for any fans of Karl's doodling from a by-gone era! (also for sale if interested!)

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

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finally, of interest after these pictures is a rare Calendar / Letter graphically doodled by Karl Hyde in 1984... not necessarily of value to the project you're on but neat for any fans of Karl's doodling from a by-gone era! (also for sale if interested!)

The Calendar is awesome http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigscre...7618324933591/

If my name was Helen I would pay a lot for it
No, I´m not kidding. Its´so beautiful so it almost hurts.

Do you know who Helen is btw? I have seen similar "Helen" letters previously so I´m just curious.

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by Andrea

The Calendar is awesome http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigscre...7618324933591/

If my name was Helen I would pay a lot for it
No, I´m not kidding. Its´so beautiful so it almost hurts.

Do you know who Helen is btw? I have seen similar "Helen" letters previously so I´m just curious.

yes i do, she sent me all of her Underworld stuff as she knew i was a big fan (i paid for it!), she was a fan back from the Freur days and used to write to Karl very regularly, she met them a few times and used to call him up for chats on the phone, i have transcripts of calls she made!!! (she was more of a 'stalker' than normal fans!!). She got on obvioulsy very well with Karl back then and the Uw team used to write to her about gigs, and send her stuff...

its a nice bit of fan corresepondence...

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

yes i do, she sent me all of her Underworld stuff as she knew i was a big fan (i paid for it!), she was a fan back from the Freur days and used to write to Karl very regularly, she met them a few times and used to call him up for chats on the phone, i have transcripts of calls she made!!! (she was more of a 'stalker' than normal fans!!). She got on obvioulsy very well with Karl back then and the Uw team used to write to her about gigs, and send her stuff...

its a nice bit of fan corresepondence...

Oh, I see! But I must say, if I had private letters like that from a band I like I would never sell it, never ever!

[Dunwho]

Originally Posted by TheBang

Also, that Slow Bells balloon drop video you requested was done by Toby Vogel, not Tomato. I'm not sure if that makes a difference to your project.

Well I was primarily looking for this video because It was a high quality video showing how they have extended out into the crowd the surface onto which the images are projected... and also animated that surface by having the balls bounce above the audience.

I have a decent hand held camera video from uwlive account on youtube of the same thing but the sound isnt great on it. Toby used a track by Rick i think for the video here and it has no sound from the real performance.. and it is slowed down in places, but like I said i am looking for clarity of image in order to demonstrate my point first and foremost.

On the Toby Vogel thing, I am treating the Underworld Live show as the work of a Live team. The art direction of the shows, the video materials, the lighting and the music/performance, and even Karls dancing (and at times specific costume).. are all co-ordinated by the underworldlive team.. and many key figures and ideas within that team are Tomato ideas and from Tomato members. Toby has worked with UW since the start of the 90s and his input on the show has become elemental.. so even though he is not a member of Tomato (officially speaking - at least to my knowledge) he is intrinsic in synthesising the different Tomato works and ideas that are part of an UWlive show (Just like Hadyn Cruickshank and his company Coloursound Experiment)

Sorry once you get me in writing mode I cant control myself... Ill stop being so serious now.

Thanks for the list of videos... Got most of them I think, I am going to have to clarify dates and authors for most of them when it comes to crediting each one.. but that will come in time.

[Champiness]

Originally Posted by Dunwho

On the Toby Vogel thing, I am treating the Underworld Live show as the work of a Live team. The art direction of the shows, the video materials, the lighting and the music/performance, and even Karls dancing (and at times specific costume) are all co-ordinated by the underworldlive team.. and many key figures and ideas within that team are Tomato ideas and from Tomato members.

What is this in reference to? The only thing I can think of is this one video I saw of Moaner where Karl had a pink dress on.