Holy fucked up healthcare reform Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the mongoose]

Given as much public domain "proof" as I can provide.....you will have to do all of the connecting of dots...

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I TOLD all ya'll that "ignore" function is really cool.

I never thought mongoose was such a bitch. to you too!

[the mongoose]

Article source: Click
Now, nobody in Congress can claim not to know what is going on with illegal aliens and the proposed federal health plan. Congressman Lamar Smith of Texas has laid out the details in The Hill, a newspaper for the Capitol Hill staffers and Members of Congress.

The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident.
— Rep. Lamar Smith quoted in the Hill

Rosemary Jenks (NumbersUSA’s Director of Government Relations) and I have been doing non-stop radio shows across the country about this. One thing that occurs to us routinely is that the host reads a quote from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying firmly that the health plan will NOT cover illegal immigrants.
To that, I have to say simply, PELOSI IS LYING. And she knows she is lying.
I don’t talk and write like that often. I tend to give people — even politicians — a lot of benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. But Pelosi and her leadership team have been engaged all year in coming up with deceptive language and amendments to make it look like they are denying illegal aliens benefits, all the while including language that that creates loopholes giant enough to drive 11-19 million illegal aliens through them.
(Read here and here about the vote in House committee last week and then here about the effort to cover up their dirty deed the next day. Also watch my short video from Friday about the subject.)
The costs to the American taxpayer will be incredible, writes Smith, the Ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee.

If Americans aren’t already concerned enough about the astronomical costs of the healthcare proposal, this taxpayer-funded benefit for lawbreakers should sound the alarms.
Take just the uninsured: According to the latest research from the Pew Hispanic Center, 59 percent of all illegal immigrant adults lacked health insurance in 2007. These figures are dramatically higher than the 14 percent uninsured rate for U.S.-born adults. The children of illegal immigrants are also uninsured at extremely high rates — 45 percent of their foreign-born children are uninsured!
Of course, when it comes to illegal immigration, taxpayer-provided health insurance represents just part of the cost. Healthcare for illegal immigrants costs Americans at least $1 billion each year, not including health costs for children and the elderly. In my home state of Texas, just the price tag of educating the children of illegal immigrants adds up to around $4 billion annually!
— Rep. Lamar Smith

Of course, Pres. Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid have a simple solution that would greatly reduce the cost of insuring and providing health care to illegal aliens:
Their solution is to stop calling them illegal aliens and to call them “legal immigrants” and “U.S. citizens.” Of course, the cost to the taxpayer will be the same (or probably quite a bit higher as they fully take advantage of more welfare benefits). But since they are no longer called “illegal aliens,” nobody can say the costs are attributable to paying for illegal aliens.
Don’t you just feel like you have been plunged into a George Orwell novel?
Right now, millions of people around the world are preparing to move to the United States illegally to take U.S. jobs from American citizens because the Congress won’t require businesses to use E-Verify.
If Congress now approves a federal health plan that covers any foreign national who can get into the country, just imagine how many more millions of people will be preparing to move here illegally.

Spending billions of taxpayer dollars to overhaul a healthcare system that provides Americans with the best care in the world makes no sense. And using those taxpayer dollars to provide benefits to illegal immigrants is inexcusable.
The Obama administration and Democrats in Congress should not force American taxpayers to provide healthcare benefits to illegal immigrants.
— Rep. Lamar Smith

I urge all of you to protest at the top of your lungs at all Town Hall meetings of your Members of Congress this month.
If you have Republican Members, protest the fact that the Republican leadership in Congress is taking a pass on this issue. Lamar Smith is high-ranking. But the half-dozen highest ranking Republicans are standing mostly mute. They are not making the inclusion of illegal aliens a big issue. What is wrong with them? Which big-money special interest is keeping them quiet.
If you have Democratic Members, make them understand that YOU hold THEM responsible for the fact that THEIR Party is putting illegal aliens and the corrupt businesses that hire them ahead of the interests of U.S. citizens, taxpayers and workers.
We the People surely can stop an outrage this clear and this gigantic.

[the mongoose]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

I TOLD all ya'll that "ignore" function is really cool.

I never thought mongoose was such a bitch. to you too!

You're welcome.

Just block it all out man.....

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I'm getting all Sally Field at the moment.

One time, when I was practically kicked out of one of the many towns...

About 2 hours into driving a 25 hour drive, I witnessed, what at first I thought was a controlled burning or fire of some sort. The horizon was turned orange, red and yellow and I really thought I might have to take a detour, it was that bright. Then the entire sky turned the same colors and the entire desert landscape around me appeared orange and red and yellow(I know, sounds like The Orb song, but it's not).

It was a spawning of monarch butterfly. I swear I'm not making this up. It was a trip. It kinda sucked too as I had to wash my damn truck once I got to the next major city as I couldn't see through the damn windshield. I must have driven through, at least, a thousand of them. But it's not like I shot Bambi's mother or anything.

I'm bored.

[the mongoose]

source article: click

President Obama said the health care bills weren't designed to cover illegal immigrants, except perhaps for children and in cases of emergency.

OBAMA: We don't want a situation in which some child, even if they're an illegal immigrant, shows up in an emergency room with tuberculosis and nobody is giving them treatment, and then they're going back to the playground and playing next to our kids.

[the mongoose]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

It was a spawning....................................a thousand of them.

Mine was the same but it was a black spotted sky filled with :



lol at the crazy bitch on whatever town's talk radio station my friend was tuned to while passing through....."if only more people had fasted before the election." Ha.



reminds me of this MHD/Palladia commercial.....


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[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

TOLD YA!(Per post #21 in the No WMD...blah blah.... No Oil thread)

"We're concerned about whether the kids will come to school at all. "

MARLA BLACKLEDGE, chief financial officer of a school district in California that is grappling with a 20% cut in funding for school transportation; the district decided to eliminate all bus service except for special-education students.*


*Time.com

AND GUESS WHAT?!? It's not just happening in California.






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Video response to mongoose:

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

Given as much public domain "proof" as I can provide.....you will have to do all of the connecting of dots...

It seems that we just "connect the dots" quite differently from each other, and based on differing levels of facts versus assumption. Even looking at your latest links, it appears that we reach very different conclusions about the very same texts. The first one about Lamar Smith wraps up with statements like "I urge all of you to protest at the top of your lungs at all Town Hall meetings of your Members of Congress this month", which I've personally found to be a deplorable, counter-productive tactic. This isn't a debate that's best serviced by who can screech out the loudest - it requires rational, informed discussion. And frankly, the things that have been said by the loudest people have tended to be the dumbest, most ignorant stuff I've heard.

Another of his final statements is "If you have Republican Members, protest the fact that the Republican leadership in Congress is taking a pass on this issue. Lamar Smith is high-ranking. But the half-dozen highest ranking Republicans are standing mostly mute. They are not making the inclusion of illegal aliens a big issue. What is wrong with them? Which big-money special interest is keeping them quiet." I've personally found that if this kind of "standing mostly mute" is happening in cases like this, it's usually because the theories in question have no real merit, so they don't justify the time and energy that conspiracy theorists are demanding they get.

And then you cite Obama saying "We don't want a situation in which some child, even if they're an illegal immigrant, shows up in an emergency room with tuberculosis and nobody is giving them treatment, and then they're going back to the playground and playing next to our kids." Can't say I disagree with him. I also can't say that this qualifies as proof of your accusation that Obama is "legally opening up all of our medical resources to what essentially amounts to the entire country of Mexico".

And then of course there's this - "seven falsehoods about healthcare". Check the last point in particular.

I'm sure you see all of this very differently from me though, and that's your prerogative. So I guess just take it all for whatever it's worth to you.

[Sean]

Here's a pertinent article - albeit from the lying bowels of the vile beast Mr. Rogers helped create...

An excerpt:

In Health Care Debate, Fear Trumps Logic
by JULIE ROVNER

...Jonathan Oberlander, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, says he's not at all surprised to see recent claims — all thoroughly debunked — that suggest, for example, that bills under consideration would encourage senior citizens to commit suicide when they become ill or infirm.

"It's really a case of deja vu," he says. "You hear in today's debate echoes of the past that extend all the way to the early part of the 20th century. And I think the reason that people use fear again and again is that it's effective. It's worked to stop health reform in the past. And so they're going to try and use it in the present."

History Of Scare Tactics

Oberlander says opponents used scare tactics the very first time the idea of national health insurance was broached — around 1915 — by tying would-be reformers to the nation's then-greatest international threat.

"They said that national health insurance was a plot by the German emperor to take over the United States," he says.

The next effort to remake the health system came during the late 1940s. This time the opposition, led by the American Medical Association, exploited the newest fears. "They said if we adopted national health insurance, the Red army would be marching through the streets of the U.S.; they said this was the first step toward communism," Oberlander says.

By the time the Clinton administration took on the health effort, the power of the American Medical Association was fading. But now a new opponent took its place — the health insurance industry. It ran ads using an ordinary looking couple, named Harry and Louise, to raise doubts among middle-class Americans about how the Clinton plan might hurt rather than help them.

Says Oberlander, "The opponents have changed over time; the tactic of relying on fear and scaring Americans has not."

And now, we have a black, Socialist President with the middle name "Hussein" and who's not even a U.S. citizen that wants to pull the plug on Granny with his "death panels", insure illegal immigrants, and bankrupt the country, all of which clearly means that he wants to destroy America.


And while we're at it, www.factcheck.org has come out with a new article called "Twenty Six Lies About H.R. 3200". Among them is this:

Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

False: That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.