Palin (almost) talks sense

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Yeah like they'd let us cruise on over and build a Christian Religious Center right next to Mecca.

No offence but WTF has that got to do with anything? Is America supposed to base its actions on what other countries might or might not do? What was your point in bringing it up, beyond engaging in some more tired old "them vs us" tribalism? Isn't it precisely that mindset that lies at the very heart of the problem?

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by Deckard

No offence but WTF has that got to do with anything? Is America supposed to base its actions on what other countries might or might not do? What was your point in bringing it up, beyond engaging in some more tired old "them vs us" tribalism? Isn't it precisely that mindset that lies at the very heart of the problem?

We have the same problem with here in Arizona regarding our Governor and legislature with their new found lust for immigration enforcement. A fair number of their supporters say our state should treat undocumented immigrants the same way Mexico, Iran and North Korea do.

But back to the topic, I'm struggling with whether people like Palin, Gingrich, Boehner, etc. truly believe what they say, or know better but know enough people will support them to get money / press. Sadly, a mixture of both I suppose.

But there was one good person to take on the hate head-on in Texas. A 23 year old, Jacob Isom, on a skateboard grabbed the Quran from director David Grishman of Repent Amarillo in Amarillo, Texas.as he was planning to burn it. Isom made sure it got into safe hands of a leader of the Islamic Center of Amarillo.

http://tinyurl.com/24yc68d

Jason

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the whole 'ground zero mosque' misnoma is an idiot-magnet, pure and simple. in their tiny minds, they see a mosque built squarely where the towers once were. it's hard to squeeze anything else in there - just look at mongoose's airheaded approach to debate...

[Caprice]

Originally Posted by myrrh

I think that one of the main reasons all this is happening with the mosque and all the hate is because deep in the sub-conscience of American's there has still not been any closure to 9/11.

Part of the reason why I think there has been no closure is that right after the towers were hit, I remember, the rest of the day the whole country was in a state of shock until both towers fell, then after they fell everyone wanted to go to New York to help with the relief. But then, not even a week after, before any serious person could ask why this happened? We started our offensive planning. Our way of revenge.
- if anyone has seen The Boondocks episode called Return of The King, then that is basically how I see the situation. The right thing for USA to have done is to turn the other cheek while investigating into the matter. Tons of investigation, by multiple authorities should have taken place into the attacks and the cause of.

Instead, we went to war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror

Not taking Palin seriously? I never did until recently, when Glenn Beck decided to make this happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally

Now what? What are we Americans who obviously don't stand for this shit to do? I've really thought hard about rallying, about going to rallies and staging rallies but the hard pill to swallow, at least in my state, is that no one really cares. If you start arguing with someone about the political state of the country and the Tea Party gaining support, and we need to do something to counteract them, you'll most likely get the "I have a job," or "I don't have that kind of time to blow," or "I got bills to pay, man."
What has happened here, in my radical opinion, is that Americans (me) have been trapped by debt to do anything else. To pursue anything else. With the economy scare, the thought of losing thy job is almost too terrible to consider. Because if one loses their job today, they could go bankrupt because they can't find another job to pay their debts.
Because of this low moral to do anything else with one's life besides work a job they don't like to the grave, the Tea Party gains momentum, Palin gains support, Beck is actually considered to be...a good speaker.

Now granted Tea Party supporters are Americans also, most likely working jobs they don't like also, but they have a goal oriented mind. Because chances are they were for "The War" in the first place. They can see an End in sight where America will be triumphant again. Whereas the realists, people like me, see no end, see more desturction, see more heartache, see a country that will likely not know true joy for a long time to come.


/rant

[Deckard]

It's like there's this great mass of hate out there that – If you'll excuse the icky metaphor – brings to mind some festering boil. And far from shrinking, it's instead been growing steadily bigger and bigger with each year. What's scary is that even the backlash to GWB's presidency didn't reverse it. Yes even something as awful as that! It's just been growing and growing. And when a festering boil gets too big....

Honestly, what's it going to take?

These people seem to be everywhere, and they just seem completely unreceptive to two vitally important things, reason and compassion. You can clearly and concisely rebut their comments, and they'll just come back with macho posturing and nonsense. And these aren't kids; I've been having a back and forth with some guy in his 50s the last few days. Any genuine attempt to point out his errors is met with "well you liberal whiner you just don't understand America" rather than a rebuttal of the point itself. And they don't WANT to learn or to change or to understand or to empathise. It's like there's no heart and very little brain there.

They're freaking zombies, I tell you! Where are they all coming from?

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by Caprice

Not taking Palin seriously? I never did until recently, when Glenn Beck decided to make this happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_rally

Now what? What are we Americans who obviously don't stand for this shit to do? I've really thought hard about rallying, about going to rallies and staging rallies but the hard pill to swallow, at least in my state, is that no one really cares. If you start arguing with someone about the political state of the country and the Tea Party gaining support, and we need to do something to counteract them, you'll most likely get the "I have a job," or "I don't have that kind of time to blow," or "I got bills to pay, man."
What has happened here, in my radical opinion, is that Americans (me) have been trapped by debt to do anything else. To pursue anything else. With the economy scare, the thought of losing thy job is almost too terrible to consider. Because if one loses their job today, they could go bankrupt because they can't find another job to pay their debts.
Because of this low moral to do anything else with one's life besides work a job they don't like to the grave, the Tea Party gains momentum, Palin gains support, Beck is actually considered to be...a good speaker.

Now granted Tea Party supporters are Americans also, most likely working jobs they don't like also, but they have a goal oriented mind. Because chances are they were for "The War" in the first place. They can see an End in sight where America will be triumphant again. Whereas the realists, people like me, see no end, see more desturction, see more heartache, see a country that will likely not know true joy for a long time to come.


/rant

Did anyone see anything about the keg party they threw on Saturday? That seemed a bit daft, but, ya know, then again considering an' all . . .

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Originally Posted by Deckard

They're freaking zombies, I tell you! Where are they all coming from?

...they're all the bastard offspring of michelle malkin and ann coulter, fertilized by glenn beck's little swimmers, and incubated under the warm glow of fox news...

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you want nose-off-to-spite-face denial? check the comment-section outrage at michelle obama daring to suggest healthier diets

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/13...ness/#comments

america with a health problem? screw that and give me even more food!

[Deckard]

I need to take a break from reading some of this stuff - seriously, I think my own mental health is at risk!

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i'm reading a book on bill hicks at the moment - sad how little has changed, apart from him being dead... most of his routines are still 100% applicable today