California overturns ban on same-sex marriage

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

And for arguments sake, I'm fairly certain you've never been married, correct? If I'm right in that assumption, then I do think it's telling that you're arguing the lack of importance surrounding marriage with at least three of us who are married and recognize it's inherent importance. That's not a slap at you...it's just a relevant observation

to be fair, i'm not sure the observation is all that relevant. it would seem like a logical conclusion that those of us who are married see the inherent importance, otherwise we would have never married. it would be nearly impossible for any of us to sincerely argue against its importance. and for someone who has never been married it could be equally impossible to argue in favor of marriage's importance.

it would be like if you had a muslim and a christian arguing about the bible. you wouldn't tell the muslim that it was telling that he didn't believe in the bible when the three christians in the conversation did.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by cacophony

it would be like if you had a muslim and a christian arguing about the bible. you wouldn't tell the muslim that it was telling that he didn't believe in the bible when the three christians in the conversation did.

Someone give this woman an award! I think I want to make a baby again. Oh wait, damn you beat me with that one two. (!)

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

Someone give this woman an award! I think I want to make a baby again. Oh wait, damn you beat me with that one too.

beat you twice.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cacophony

to be fair, i'm not sure the observation is all that relevant. it would seem like a logical conclusion that those of us who are married see the inherent importance, otherwise we would have never married. it would be nearly impossible for any of us to sincerely argue against its importance. and for someone who has never been married it could be equally impossible to argue in favor of marriage's importance.

it would be like if you had a muslim and a christian arguing about the bible. you wouldn't tell the muslim that it was telling that he didn't believe in the bible when the three christians in the conversation did.

At risk of being too direct, that's a horribly inaccurate analogy. Of course the point I made is relevant. If you want an analogy, I'd use being a parent. Non-parents may have all the theories in the world about what constitutes proper parenting, but it's impossible to really know what it would be like until you are one. And I'm saying that as a non-parent who would readily defer to a parent in any conversation about it. Or it could be compared to our outlooks on the Iraq war relative to Sarcasmo's since he's actually been there fighting it. And don't tell my wife that I just compared marriage to war....

But yes, we chose to enter into marriage, which is comparable to Skie's choice not to (assuming that's the case). I readily acknowledge that. But the subsequent life experiences directly resulting from being married, which an unmarried person would have no experience with, are what make the point clearly relevant since that's what this conversation is basically about in the first place.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

But the subsequent life experiences directly resulting from being married, which an unmarried person would have no experience with, are what make the point clearly relevant since that's what this conversation is basically about in the first place.

i'll concede that point.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

This should get interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26891725/

1.3 million raised for such wasted effort for ignorance. I just don't get how gays can make a mockery of marriage anymore than some have done with it. Oh wait, there were money gains invovled with those events.

Maybe if these same people focused efforts on things like, say, maybe, THIS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843836/ , I mean, it's just maybe the third occurance in a 12 month period.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

This should get interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26891725/

1.3 million raised for such wasted effort for ignorance. I just don't get how gays can make a mockery of marriage anymore than some have done with it. Oh wait, there were money gains invovled with those events.

Maybe if these same people focused efforts on things like, say, maybe, THIS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843836/ , I mean, it's just maybe the third occurance in a 12 month period.

Absolutely spot-on. Year after year we hear more stories of kids being abused by men of the cloth. To use their own analogy, they should deal with the beam in their own eye before criticising the speck in someone elses.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Absolutely spot-on. Year after year we hear more stories of kids being abused by men of the cloth. To use their own analogy, they should deal with the beam in their own eye before criticising the speck in someone elses.

How many false flags do we need to see?

The pieces of the puzzle are all there. How long for these religious(and corporate for that matter) organizations to see they've been infiltrated as well?

One has to wonder who's known all this time? Silence assists the killer.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

O.K., I thought gays guys were supposed to be the drama queens: http://tv.yahoo.com/show/33812/news/...tner__ER:46779

Somebody get the bitch a bridesmaid's dress already.