Another one o' them smoking ban threads....

[Rog]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i know. i hope everyone here is working hard to avoid parkinson's disease! you know how you do that? well.... um...... see first you...... huh. i don't think anyone knows how to avoid parkinson's disease.

dead right cacophony - or Alzheimers or Virulent CJD or food poisoning or Cryptosporidia, or any other bacterial/viral infection picked up in the community/from food/from going on holiday ad nauseum

The basis of your argument is totally flawed. No amount of education/good diet/fitness whatever etc can stop you getting E.coli 0157 from meat or salmonella from eggs or crypto from a swimming pool or resistant TB from walking past someone on the street.....or are you superhuman?

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

If there isn't money, in my ideals, there would be a community safety-net act that would provide the health care for her.

read: Universal Health Care

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by Rog

dead right cacophony - or Alzheimers or Virulent CJD or food poisoning or Cryptosporidia, or any other bacterial/viral infection picked up in the community/from food/from going on holiday ad nauseum

The basis of your argument is totally flawed. No amount of education/good diet/fitness whatever etc can stop you getting E.coli 0157 from meat or salmonella from eggs or crypto from a swimming pool or resistant TB from walking past someone on the street.....or are you superhuman?

according to medicalnet.com, these are the primary causes of cancer.

• Growing older
• Tobacco
• Sunlight
• Ionizing radiation
• Certain chemicals and other substances
• Some viruses and bacteria
• Certain hormones
• Family history of cancer
• Alcohol
• Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight

So I guess if you are poor, you need to be held accountable and take responsibility that you don't ever grow older, work in the sun, work around chemicals, get infected by bacteria/viruses, and be born from certain families? I mean besides the no drinking/smoking part.

This is troll-like logic.

Or you back it up with an alternative safety net, not some passive muttering about a community based charity effort like its a minute detail. Even Ron Paul knows that.

[IsiliRunite]

Originally Posted by potatobroth

read: Universal Health Care

Ideally, no. Universal health care is not charity, it is not people in your neighborhood taking care of you or people in your work setting aside profits to help you pay for medical expenses or anything like that... I am talking about voluntary service to another human being, not big government programmes.

I'm a biochem/microbiology double major...obviously I know there are things that are not preventable, liked I mentioned in my post that nobody seems to read but seems to take so literally, but step 2 and step 3 have that covered.

Originally Posted by Strangelet

you mean this one?

I talked about this literally two posts ago. You are not even reading my posts, or at least trying half-assedly to understand them. You're not cute, funny, clever, witty, justified...you are demonstrating the fact that you don't like using reading comprehension abilities.

[Sarcasmo]

I find it hilarious that you're obstinately sticking with an argument that, for some reason, hasn't found a single positive reaction. It's not that we're all incapable of reading. It's the fact that your intellectual narcissism knows no bounds. When you've got several people with real world experience, including a mother with twins, a lawyer, and Rog (I didn't want to say "Old Guy") telling you that you're flat out wrong, an analytical mind, and one well adjusted to the concept of debate, will go back and try to find the flaws in his argument, instead of telling US to go back and read them. YOU, my friend, are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong, and no about of babble about our inability to understand your argument is going to change that. We can keep digging in the piles of shit you've left for the last 11 pages, but at the end of the day all we're going to find is shit. We've given you example after example of how your little theory of "How Things Should Work" is totally unworkable from a practical, genetic, and historical standpoint. I said before, I've got nothing else to argue, because that would just be an exercise in banging my head against the wall. Face facts, wake up and smell the coffee, take your head out of your ass.

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

Ideally, no. Universal health care is not charity, it is not people in your neighborhood taking care of you or people in your work setting aside profits to help you pay for medical expenses or anything like that... I am talking about voluntary service to another human being, not big government programmes.

I'm a biochem/microbiology double major...obviously I know there are things that are not preventable, liked I mentioned in my post that nobody seems to read but seems to take so literally, but step 2 and step 3 have that covered.

You're going to have to reiterate your "steps" because I'm having a hard time following your train of thought.

The way you describe things seems as though you imagine a world where only people who can afford to pay for their own injuries should play sports, race cars/bikes/on foot, go to a zoo, etc. You are leaving it up to chance for the poor person who wants to play a game of football but ends up snapping an ankle in the process. Its all well and good that in your system its only pittence to have the ankle set and cast, but I could make up costs like that as well and say all food should be handed over from farmers at no cost. And why not, its all speculative and magically charitable anyway.

Your 'Steps' aren't really steps but absurd points of a random eutopia where free services are handed out because well, you think they should. Somehow you have developed the notion that you will never need services rendered of a medical nature and that any money you drop into a government orginazation (or whatever since this conversation has evolved a bit) is wasted money.. that you'll never benefit from it. Although I hear almost no one wants cancer these days and never expected to fall ill from it. That's just what I hear.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Sarcasmo

I find it hilarious that you're obstinately sticking with an argument that, for some reason, hasn't found a single positive reaction. It's not that we're all incapable of reading. It's the fact that your intellectual narcissism knows no bounds. When you've got several people with real world experience, including a mother with twins, a lawyer, and Rog (I didn't want to say "Old Guy") who happens to be a govt. scientist...telling you that you're flat out wrong, an analytical mind, and one well adjusted to the concept of debate, will go back and try to find the flaws in his argument, instead of telling US to go back and read them. YOU, my friend, are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong, and no about of babble about our inability to understand your argument is going to change that. We can keep digging in the piles of shit you've left for the last 11 pages, but at the end of the day all we're going to find is shit. We've given you example after example of how your little theory of "How Things Should Work" is totally unworkable from a practical, genetic, and historical standpoint. I said before, I've got nothing else to argue, because that would just be an exercise in banging my head against the wall. Face facts, wake up and smell the coffee, take your head out of your ass.

Nah - he's been touched by Adam Smith's invisible hand once too often.

Reagan and Thatcher *spit* had a bash at making this work. As far as That Woman is concerned, she succeeded in destroying just about all industry in the UK that isn't linked to armaments or big pharma and spawned a generation of up-their-own-asses materialistic self-seeking self absorbed brats. "There is no such thing as society" indeed.

[IsiliRunite]

I'll write one essay to explain my views later tonight, and if it doesn't make sense you can call me crazy.

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

You are not even reading my posts, or at least trying half-assedly to understand them.

i only wish that were true.

anyway, mr. smarty pants double major, this isn't a microbiology problem, its a socio-economic problem. One where you just can't throw token concepts like "accountability" and "freedom rulez" at it and expect it to be solved.

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

You're not cute, funny, clever, witty, justified...you are demonstrating the fact that you don't like using reading comprehension abilities.

That's a dumb reason to hate britney spears. I actually thought her last album had some moments.

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by Sarcasmo

I find it hilarious that you're obstinately sticking with an argument that, for some reason, hasn't found a single positive reaction. It's not that we're all incapable of reading. It's the fact that your intellectual narcissism knows no bounds. When you've got several people with real world experience, including a mother with twins, a lawyer, and Rog (I didn't want to say "Old Guy") telling you that you're flat out wrong, an analytical mind, and one well adjusted to the concept of debate, will go back and try to find the flaws in his argument, instead of telling US to go back and read them. YOU, my friend, are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong, and no about of babble about our inability to understand your argument is going to change that. We can keep digging in the piles of shit you've left for the last 11 pages, but at the end of the day all we're going to find is shit. We've given you example after example of how your little theory of "How Things Should Work" is totally unworkable from a practical, genetic, and historical standpoint. I said before, I've got nothing else to argue, because that would just be an exercise in banging my head against the wall. Face facts, wake up and smell the coffee, take your head out of your ass.

you, sir, are one of the reasons i keep up on this forum. lol