Tonite's broadcast - London Part 2 Oct 18

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Jan

Does dirty forum need rules? Shouldn't we just use our common sense?
IMO links to one or two songs, Youtube vids etc. are okay, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

BeautifulBurnout: aaron has asked for the whole recordings, not just clips! There is no "over-zealousness" from Stimpee when he says that that's not okay.

The line IS drawn, and quite clearly and palpably, at commercial product. Thereafter everything becomes a gray area. The Bang posts clips, and nothing is said. Ely posts clips and nothing is said. Quite naturally flowing from that, aaron5000 asks if there is any more available, and we are told we aren't even allowed to discuss it here. So where is the line overstepped? Is it asking for more of what we have already seen? Is it posting clips taken from the stream in the first place? Is it posting anything at all relating to bootlegs, including YouTubes from the gigs themselves? Is it the mere mention of anything that could be construed as a bootleg?

And you refer to Phonestrap/Autotrader etc. They were posted on UW Live as streams, not downloads, and were ripped by Dirts and posted on here for download (or at least it was so initially - I haven't checked that out recently). So following your own logic, irrespective of how easy or difficult it was to crack the code, they, too, are bootlegs. Aren't they? Otherwise they would have been supplied as free downloads in the first place. So that particular argument doesn't have legs at all, I'm afraid.

So, if we follow the "no bootleg discussion" argument that Stimpee is trying to make, effectively, in his opinion (and, again, I say that advisedly, because it is only his opinion as one of the many moderators on this board) either a) nothing should be discussed on here or posted on here that could conceivably fall into the bootleg category, which would include all of the above, or alternatively b) we have to try it out and see whether, in his opinion, it is acceptable or not. (And his opinion may not in fact reflect the opinion of other moderators or even the band itself.) The latter appears to be the status quo and is at best confusing and at worst irritating.

The "no commercial product ripping" rule is a simple one to apply and to police. Anything else falls into such a fuzzy non-definable area that people are never going to know what oversteps the mark and what doesn't. You cannot realistically police something in such an abitrary fashion.

As for aaron - he can always ask, and someone can always say no, we don't think this is correct if that is the policy. But to say "no, it is something you cannot talk about here but you can talk about it elsewhere" is kinda dumb in the context.

What is the message you are trying to send out? That we don't share bootlegs? That we do share bootlegs but shhh!... don't let the band know we do? Come on. Get real, chaps.

What bootleg. There is no bootleg. We are bootleg-less.