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Old 04-15-2007, 10:54 PM
m-nus_orange
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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about 234 000 times better than with teeth.

but i think that with teeth was a good stepping stone to this
but this is what with teeth should have been.

0 sum gives me chills. such a rare thing
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

At least With Teeth had a couple decent tracks - Love Is Not Enough and Everyday Is Exactly The Same!

The beats stinks of mediocrity.
The lyrics are generic and plain.
The vocals sound like they were recorded on an MBOX in Trent's bedroom.

Where the FUCK is the producer on this album?

Somebody get me Nigel Godrich on the phone.
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:10 AM
dubman
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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Somebody get me Nigel Godrich on the phone
aaaand thats why we disagree.

because nigel godrich is an annoying bastard who takes about 80% of the vigor, spirit, daring, or sense of anything risque out of whoever the fuck he works with.

seriously, that dude is death. he made me almost not care about air, beck, or radiohead anymore, and i used to be obsessed with all three.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:12 AM
m-nus_orange
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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aaaand thats why we disagree.

because nigel godrich is an annoying bastard who takes about 80% of the vigor, spirit, daring, or sense of anything risque out of whoever the fuck he works with.

seriously, that dude is death. he made me almost not care about air, beck, or radiohead anymore, and i used to be obsessed with all three.
Umm.. Nigel has been with Radiohead since The Bends. He's one of the main reasons why they didn't remain solely as "That band that did Creep."

And "Talkie Walkie" was fucking amazing, I don't know what you're talking about (Pocket Symphony?) Air was ready to take the big piss before that record came out.

..and Beck does a lot of the producing and co-producing himself. Nigel just helps with some arrangements and mixing from time to time. Same as The Dust Brothers. *Side Note* I still think "Guero" is the best fucking thing he's ever done!
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:30 AM
dubman
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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Umm.. Nigel has been with Radiohead since The Bends. He's one of the main reasons why they didn't remain solely as "That band that did Creep."

And "Talkie Walkie" was fucking amazing, I don't know what you're talking about (Pocket Symphony?) Air was ready to take the big piss before that record came out.

..and Beck does a lot of the producing and co-producing himself. Nigel just helps with some arrangements and mixing from time to time. Same as The Dust Brothers. *Side Note* I still think "Guero" is the best fucking thing he's ever done!
point1: yes, but when did he become a shit-hot name? amnesiac. know wht came after? hail to the goddamn theif.

point2: talkie walkie was kind of a let down. and no thanks for convincing them they could sing because they cant.

point3: wow. sea change is probably one of the worst albums i've ever heard and as decent as guero is, it's the product of a hangover i dont think he'll ever freak out of.
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:01 PM
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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point3: wow. sea change is probably one of the worst albums i've ever heard and as decent as guero is, it's the product of a hangover i dont think he'll ever freak out of.
Holy crap, Sea Change is probably the best album I've ever heard. Are you sure you were listening to that album?? And although I think we must just have insanely different sensibilities towards music, I really think you outta give it one more spin.

All of that aside -- I don't think Nigel could've done anything remarkable with this NIN album. Nigel cares infinately about head space and airieness whereas pretty much all of NIN's albums past PHM have been very clausterphobic works with crushed dynamics. Not that this is a bad thing per se, but I really think that Nigel would have no idea of what to do with Trent's stuff.


EDIT: Oh yea, my thoughts...

I'm not liking this album very much. I agree with the sentiments expressed already about the production, and it could be that I'm just jaded from tinkering around with beats and what-not myself, but hardly anything on this album sounds like a completed thought. I think that if one aspires to be an electronic musician, one has to be keenly aware that what you accomplish is going to be based off of the production of your album. Not your rhythm, not your melody, but what you make those noises do in space. And I'm listening to these beats and they all sound locked in a box. They sound like one part Ableton Live, one part Battery and five parts laziness. And it's really frustrating, especially when it rubs up against more dedicated passages in this album. God Given is a good example here -- flat and dry lyrics, an uninspired drum beat that doesn't do anything but add elements, and when the chorus comes in and the mix gets huge, it almost feels like an afterthought. And then the chorus finishes and the track retreats back into its box. Sorry Trent, but distortion does not a beat make. Your job isn't done with your vocals after you lay your take. And thanks for the same guitar treatment that you've been giving me for the past 15 years, I didn't want a change...

EDIT: And as I'm reviewing my post, "Greater Good" is playing and for fuck's sakes, I want to take this stupid kalimba and shove it up his ass.

I guess I'm just at the point that if I want to listen raw and cerrated productions, I want it to punch me in my fucking mouth. And that's the problem here -- the Trent that was imprinted upon me was this psychotic guy with over the top productions, a bastion of youthful angst that hit you like a Mack truck and left you gripping your chest. And I'll still hold out for a rebound, but all indications tell me that this Trent that I came to know and love is gone, and gone for good.

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Old 05-02-2007, 10:11 PM
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
Industrial has always been like garage band electronic though. Distortion and mess filled is what makes it industrial IMHO.

I think the clausterphobic vibe is intentional as well. The entire album is political, no? I might be wrong there, but that would be a first for Reznor.

Maybe one day, he'll become PRESIDENT or maybe Ozzy?
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
The funniest thing has happened.

I'm a Rhapsody subscriber (best $15 a month I spend too!) and when I did my write-up it was after my first, maybe second listen of the album. Well, after letting the album play over quite a few times, not only has my opinion lightened up considerably on this album, but I actually think this could be close to as good as TDS.

Funny how music does that, isn't it?
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:23 AM
EuroZeroZero
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?
I AM FUCKING SERIOUS!!1
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:57 AM
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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I AM FUCKING SERIOUS!!1


HE'S FUCKING SERIOUS-O!!!!
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Old 04-21-2007, 08:31 AM
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Re: nine inch nails - year zero
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At least With Teeth had a couple decent tracks - Love Is Not Enough and Everyday Is Exactly The Same!
Interesting. In my opinion, those were by far the 2 weakest tracks on With Teeth.

I got Year Zero yesterday. I like it. It's weird hearing Trent being kind of pseudo-positive for the first time ever.
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