Hip Hop - Page 6

mkb · #51 02-10-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Future Proof

And Hip Hop right now is kicking the shit out of electronic.

I dunno man, I still can't stand most of it.

Eikman · #52 02-10-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Future Proof

And Hip Hop right now is kicking the shit out of electronic.

*takes a ride in his roflcopter*

Future Proof · #53 02-10-2006, 10:58 AM

Hmmm, I'm on an electronic band's board with knobheads left and right...

Or in other words, I'm completely not shocked with the previous two posts.

EDIT: However, to say that I'm more or less completely exhausted with electronic music and it's apparent lack of innovation, would still be a gross understatement. All of the dancable stuff sounds familiar, all of the non-danceable stuff (see, Autechre :P) is like putting your head inside a car engine that's just thrown a rod. Trip-Hop and what-not still has potential but electronic (without naming any names) in general is a genre that is too scared of change to be relevant.

Oh and Eikman, if we're going to laugh at each other's tastes, I feel obligated to let you know that I've been laughing for the past 20 minutes knowing that Mr. I-Heart-Autechre just laughed at my sensibilities.

Eikman · #54 02-10-2006, 11:25 AM

i was simply laughing because your statement was so totally subjective, not because i don't like your taste. it's like having a discussion about the basic principles - what is better: Hip Hop or Electronic music, and then saying that Mos Def totally kicks, let's say, Mathew Jonson's ass.

Future Proof · #55 02-10-2006, 11:28 AM

I know, I was just giving you grief for the fun of it.

Forums are so hard to convey when you're doing just that, so no harm intended!

Eikman · #56 02-10-2006, 11:34 AM

biatch!!!

Future Proof · #57 02-10-2006, 11:41 AM

Takes one to know one!!!

adam · #58 02-10-2006, 11:53 AM

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Dirty Canuck · #59 02-10-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Future Proof

I'm curious Dirty Canuck as to why you think hip hop is suffering so bad. Over the past 2 years we've had incredible albums drop by The Roots, Mos Def, that T.I. CD, a new one from 3 6 this past year, Common... if you are a huge fan equally of old skool flavor hip hop, gangsta rap and soul... fuck it, R&B or hip-hop/rap in general... this has been one of the greatest 2 year stretches (2004-2006) ever. And Project Pat gets outta jail next year!

I whole-heartedly agree with you, Future Proof, that these were great albums, and celebrate what is truly good about hip-hop (I haven't heard the T.I. album, though), but these are exceptions.
The genre is saturated with Neptunes-produced, thug-wannabe garbage nowadays. In my opinion, the state of hip-hop isn't a good one right now.
There was a time during "The Golden Age Of Hip-Hop (88-94)" when the crap we are subjected to now would be ridiculed by the hip-hop community. For example, LL Cool J, was constantly scoffed at for the stuff he was releasing, so to show that he was "real' he released "Mama Said Knock You Out". Anytime you saw a rap artist promote KFC or something back then, they would be laughed at. Hip-hop is more a business now, than an art-form.
Mos Def says it best on "The Rape Over" on "The New Danger" album.

When I speak of "Galvanize", though it may not be the best hip-hop track of 2005 to some ("Push The Button" was released in Jan. 2005 in North America), it's music that makes you feel good, and is an example of what hip-hop was, and what it should be.

Now let's all get dressed up in our finest designer clothes, grab the champagne, and all smoke up in our new BMWs.

Future Proof · #60 02-10-2006, 12:18 PM

I see what you're saying, it's just that I also feel that electronic can be looked at in the same way. When I first started getting into electronic 13 (

fuck I'm getting old!) years ago, it was raw, no one was using it to sell cars and I remember when Fat Of The Land by Prodigy hit and commercials were using Firestarter and then later more electronic music to hippify their corporate juggernaut, and the backlash that Prodigy had.

I guess what I'm saying is that if we're going to assert that things are low because of the money machine then we're probably just focusing on the wrong aspect of the genre. Whereas there are the one-dimensional artists out there and the artists that whore themselves for a buck, there's legitimate talent out there, even in the trance genre and even in the gangsta rap genre too.