Underworld and Prog Bands

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by stimpee

I still fail to see how this thread has anything to do with Underworld.

Because I am specifically looking towards the prog electronic/rock (and I use this bastardised term because I don't think ELP and Yes, for example, necessarily fall into the category "rock") groups of the early 70s as an essential element in, and influence on, the development of Underworld's sound. In my view. People will have different views and I think it is an interesting topic to explore and discuss as it is one that crops up from time to time in various places on the forum.







HAPPY NOW?!!

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Because I am specifically looking towards the prog electronic/rock (and I use this bastardised term because I don't think ELP and Yes, for example, necessarily fall into the category "rock") groups of the early 70s as an essential element in, and influence on, the development of Underworld's sound. In my view. People will have different views and I think it is an interesting topic to explore and discuss as it is one that crops up from time to time in various places on the forum.

HAPPY NOW?!!

Not in the slightest. I dont see Underworld as influenced by prog rock bands. Care to elaborate on WHY? and more specifically, WHAT similarities?

I fart in your general direction! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by stimpee

Not in the slightest. I dont see Underworld as influenced by prog rock bands. Care to elaborate on WHY? and more specifically, WHAT similarities?

I fart in your general direction! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed
animal food trough wiper!

To give you just a few examples off the top of my head, try tracks such as "One of These Days...." and "Sheep" by T3h Fl0yd, the albums Close to The Edge and Fragile by Yes, virtually anything by King Crimson, ditto Emerson Lake and Palmer (perhaps not Tarkus which was quite considerably up its own bum), virtually anything by early Tangerine Dream.

Go and find them, listen to them, and then tell me if you think that the roots of Underworld. The Orb, Orbital et al. can't be found in them.

[holden]

Read this at your leisure with an open mind, particularly the characteristics of prog rock, most of which apply strikingly well to UW as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock

[stimpee]

So thats your answer is it? go and listen to some dinosaur remains. read the wiki. no thanks. the idea is for you to present the evidence here not for us to find out for ourselves. i'd rather drink paint than listen to anything containing Rick Wakeman.

I can see elements of The Orb in Pink Floyd, not just in the music but in the artwork (the Battersea Powerstation reference is obvious) but not with Orbital or Underworld.

"One of These Days...." and "Sheep" by Pink Floyd
Close to The Edge and Fragile by Yes
virtually anything by King Crimson
virtually anything by Emerson Lake and Palmer
virtually anything by early Tangerine Dream.

Certainly Tangerine Dream are much more ambient and electronic than progressive rock and King Crimson have the psychedelic element with Robert Fripp going off at a tangent at various times, whereas I see Underworld as much more sequenced and repeated than anarchic guitar/keyboard solos. but just name dropping these doesnt say anything more, though i suspect if i keep prodding you with a sharp stick you might answer properly and not just in big letters.

[holden]

Originally Posted by stimpee

So thats your answer is it? go and listen to some dinosaur remains. read the wiki. no thanks. the idea is for you to present the evidence here not for us to find out for ourselves. i'd rather drink paint than listen to anything containing Rick Wakeman.

stop being lazy and contrarian is my advice to you!

p.s. when did we ever need to bring evidence to posts before? Are opinions not valued? Beautiful Burnout gave her reasoning. i gave you mine, with my definition of prog as well as what the summary article said more completely. There were other thoughtful posts as well. If you don't like it, don't contribute. Moderating is one thing, but if this is you exerting editorial control of the UW forum, as i said before ,there are other less-relevant threads on here. If you disagree and can't see any relation to UW, move this to "music" or "noise" forum.

[votingfloater]

Originally Posted by stimpee

i'd rather drink paint than listen to anything containing Rick Wakeman.

Step away from the Dulux - what about a wax cylinder?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by stimpee

So thats your answer is it? go and listen to some dinosaur remains. read the wiki. no thanks. the idea is for you to present the evidence here not for us to find out for ourselves. i'd rather drink paint than listen to anything containing Rick Wakeman.

Vinyl matt or emulsion? Or is it just the white spirit you were wanting?

How can you say something is crap if you haven't even listened to it? Further, how can you say that UW and other electronic dance music bands of their ilk do not have their roots in a certain genre if you haven't bothered to compare them?

Go and boil your bottom, son of a silly person!

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by holden

stop being lazy and contrarian is my advice to you!

thanks. give me the evidence.

Originally Posted by holden

Moderating is one thing, but if this is you exerting editorial control of the UW forum, as i said before ,there are other less-relevant threads on here.

keep yer knickers on young holden, i'm trying to get you to get to the point. telling me what progressive rock IS, is not telling me the correlation between prog rock and underworld.

Originally Posted by holden

If you disagree and can't see any relation to UW, move this to "music" or "noise" forum.

haha. i'd rather get you to talk about this connection a little more, as i am genuinely interested in a response that features more than a) name dropping or b) telling me what prog rock is.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

How can you say something is crap if you haven't even listened to it?

I didnt say I hadnt listened to prog rock. Get your facts right, but first tell me about this correlation. "skill and inventiveness" isnt enough.