Tracklisting Of Tokyo Gig

[BeautifulBurnout]

Oh for heaven's sake.

Here we go again.

I am amazed that people can read a thread that basically says "do what you like off the forums but don't put up links to this or offer share commercially-released music on here publicly please" and go off on a bloody rant about it in the first place.

But to then have a whole thread of gzillions of posts of argument, discussion, rant and counter-rant which results in the show being broadcast ALL LAST WEEKEND on Dirty Radio, then STILL come along a week later and decide to have a rant about it really takes the biscuit. Give it a rest people, for heaven's sake. Or start a thread entitled "Things I want to whine about today" so I will know to avoid it if I am SICK TO MY BACK TEETH OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINGING LIKE BABIES!

And Future Proof: Do you have any idea just how petulant you are making yourself sound here? "R & K have money and I don't. I have to work hard for my buck, I have supported them, they can have a picture of my ass" etc. etc.

R & K don't care if they piss anyone off? Hell's teeth, what more do you want them to do? They tried to stream the bloody thing live on the night. That failed, so they streamed from Osaka the next night instead, AND streamed Tokyo following their Lemonworld session, AND it was streamed again several times last weekend. I guess you want them to come to your house, play a gig in your yard for you and your friends and bring you signed copies of the thing aswell. But then I am sure you would find something else to moan about, like Karl wearing the wrong shirt or Rick not playing the version of Nuxx you want.

I give up, I really do. This is bordering on the insane now.

Thank you.

[sanakan]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Oh for heaven's sake.

Here we go again.

exactly what i thought...
but i didn't even have the energy to write a lengthy reply. so thanks gurl for taking care of that

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Oh for heaven's sake.

Here we go again.

I am amazed that people can read a thread that basically says "do what you like off the forums but don't put up links to this or offer share commercially-released music on here publicly please" and go off on a bloody rant about it in the first place.

But to then have a whole thread of gzillions of posts of argument, discussion, rant and counter-rant which results in the show being broadcast ALL LAST WEEKEND on Dirty Radio, then STILL come along a week later and decide to have a rant about it really takes the biscuit. Give it a rest people, for heaven's sake. Or start a thread entitled "Things I want to whine about today" so I will know to avoid it if I am SICK TO MY BACK TEETH OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINGING LIKE BABIES!

And Future Proof: Do you have any idea just how petulant you are making yourself sound here? "R & K have money and I don't. I have to work hard for my buck, I have supported them, they can have a picture of my ass" etc. etc.

R & K don't care if they piss anyone off? Hell's teeth, what more do you want them to do? They tried to stream the bloody thing live on the night. That failed, so they streamed from Osaka the next night instead, AND streamed Tokyo following their Lemonworld session, AND it was streamed again several times last weekend. I guess you want them to come to your house, play a gig in your yard for you and your friends and bring you signed copies of the thing aswell. But then I am sure you would find something else to moan about, like Karl wearing the wrong shirt or Rick not playing the version of Nuxx you want.

I give up, I really do. This is bordering on the insane now.

Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, that's how it's done.

Petulant? Couldn't care less. Unreasonable? Don't much care about that either. But what did R&K think would happen to those disks? Did a thought ever run through their minds that perhaps maybe, just maybe, people would buy that and spit on their music, their legacy, their ethos in general by doing something like selling it on EBay for $350? In case you've forgotten, we're talking about the same band that has a million and one bootlegs floating around and couldn't have cared less.

Of course, the counterpoint to that is "Well people don't have to spend that" but the thing is that people will spend that kind of money, and I contend that it didn't have to happen. So before you run off insulting me missy, you'd better understand that to me, this isn't a debatable issue. If we were in the early 1900's and we were talking about Picasso paintings that couldn't be mass-produced then that's another story. If however you're going to tell me that a band like Underworld should drop 7000 disks, turning their backs on their website which was designed entirely for delivering music and making profit just so some of the lucky 7,000 can bust a fat and greedy lick on the more deserving, then I'm going to tell you to go find a zombie movie that's getting ready to film because you're already dressed for the part.

Yeah, there's insanity floating around here alright, that's why I'm avoiding the kool-ade... bunch of cultists. How freaking retarded of you to rather advocate file-sharing and breaking laws than questioning what the bright idea was here.

Sanakan, anyone else... I'll be on for another 15 minutes, tomorrow looks bad but I can pencil you in for Sunday when we begin our debate of artist's rights vs. the bullshit and wanton act of creating a product that will do nothing but create a greed-driven market for anyone looking to shop. GOOD NIGHT NOW.

[stauff]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

... just so some of the lucky 7,000 can bust a fat and greedy lick on the more deserving....

I'm sorry, you may or not have made some good points but I just couldn't get past the words "bust a fat".

I haven't heard anyone referring to "cracking a fat" since high school and this sentence was just too hilarious in that context.

- Matthew

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Ladies and gentlemen, that's how it's done.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Petulant? Couldn't care less. Unreasonable? Don't much care about that either. But what did R&K think would happen to those disks? Did a thought ever run through their minds that perhaps maybe, just maybe, people would buy that and spit on their music, their legacy, their ethos in general by doing something like selling it on EBay for $350? In case you've forgotten, we're talking about the same band that has a million and one bootlegs floating around and couldn't have cared less.

Did a thought ever cross your mind that while R & K maintain total artistic control, their control over the marketing and copyrighting relating to their music might be less than total? Didn't the fiasco around the Artist Formerly Known as Prince teach you anything about the way the music industry operates? Oh well.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Of course, the counterpoint to that is "Well people don't have to spend that" but the thing is that people will spend that kind of money, and I contend that it didn't have to happen.

And I contend that that is neither here nor there. The band and their management/record label did a marketing exercise in Japan. 7,000 is not all that limited an edition - jeez, I remember having 12" singles when I was a teenager that were limited to 1,000 pressings. Are the band to be held responsible for the fact that there are people out there crazy enough to spend $340 dollars on one of their discs? I don't think so, you do. Once again, whatever.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

So before you run off insulting me missy, you'd better understand that to me, this isn't a debatable issue.

Fine. Let's not debate it then.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

If we were in the early 1900's and we were talking about Picasso paintings that couldn't be mass-produced then that's another story. If however you're going to tell me that a band like Underworld should drop 7000 disks, turning their backs on their website which was designed entirely for delivering music and making profit just so some of the lucky 7,000 can bust a fat and greedy lick on the more deserving, then I'm going to tell you to go find a zombie movie that's getting ready to film because you're already dressed for the part.

Yes. Lovely image that, me being a mindless zombie. Once again, I don't think R & K can be held personally responsible for people trying to make a killing out of this. Any more than Van Gogh is responsible for people paying multi millions for his work. There will be people out there who are willing to pay stupid money just to own this. There will be people out there with available cash who will buy it just because they think they can make a fast buck by reselling it. Either way, that is the way of the world no matter where you look around you. If you are saying that capitalism is wrong, that is a whole different debate that we can have over on World.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Yeah, there's insanity floating around here alright, that's why I'm avoiding the kool-ade... bunch of cultists. How freaking retarded of you to rather advocate file-sharing and breaking laws than questioning what the bright idea was here.

Nice to be thought of as a retarded cultist too. Funny as fuck, in fact.

There are three ways to address this issue. Either the record company release the 3 CD set internationally, which doesn't seem to be on the cards. Or R & K release the music for purchase through UWLive, which they haven't given any indication of doing. Or they offer it for free, which has already been done.

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Sanakan, anyone else... I'll be on for another 15 minutes, tomorrow looks bad but I can pencil you in for Sunday when we begin our debate of artist's rights vs. the bullshit and wanton act of creating a product that will do nothing but create a greed-driven market for anyone looking to shop. GOOD NIGHT NOW.

I thought you said this wasn't debatable? Hmm. Confused now! Must be my zombie brainwashed state.

[Future Proof]

I just don't understand how anyone can look at what's happening on EBay, knowing that fans are getting ripped off and that R&K stopped making money when they sold the 7,000th copy, and feel good about it. The only ones that I can see willing to find good out of this are people that have an unwaivering devotion to these guys. I'm sorry if the zombie thing was mean but like I said, my thoughts on this issue are sentiments that I am very well comfortable in feeling, against the grain or not. I feel that it was very mean-spirited, what R&K or Underworld enterprises or whoever did with this. And I'm very non-plussed with them going around at about the time of their revamped website launch, priding themselves on being innovative 21st century musicians and then having a launch that echoes their early 90's launches when they didn't have a fan base, nor did they have a lot of money to work with. So, to me you're either on the fan's side or the artist's, and an artist doesn't have to do anything they don't want to but if you make a conscious decision to chare your music and you have fans all over the globe, continuing to win the hearts of those fans does not involve dropping 7,000 disks on an island 3,000 miles from the U.S. and further (maybe? Don't know but damn far away) from Europe.

Actually, I don't really know what you're talking about concerning Prince. But I'm interested to hear about it.

And you're not retarded, but what we are and what we do are two very different things sometimes. For example, see any of my posts. But my apologies -- however, your response to this issue seems to be completely nonsensical and dodging the responsibility that a fan, a consumer has. It's ok to voice your disapproval! But you can't do that on a band's forums (ANY band's forums) because of the tunnel-vision that a lot of the posters have. And that I think is complete rubbish. If you were a big fan of Sony and bought a new TV from them and it blew up as soon as you plugged it in you'd complain right? And that's a world-wide and successful company; we're talking about a band that does not make middle-of-the-road music pandering to a small subset of a small subset of the whole worldwide music-appreciating audience. To me it's a social responsibility.

And stauff, I'm 30... and as much as I let my inner-child run rampant on the forums sometimes I fail to hide the fact that I'm getting older.

[BeautifulBurnout]

I didn't say you couldn't voice your disapproval, hon.

I just said I was fed up of reading the same thing rehashed again and again. And I still am.

Clearly we are not going to agree on this. But maybe that is because I am old and jaded now and accept the things I can't change, but resolve to change the things I have some power over.

[solmagrez]

HI all, fairly new to posting on these boards, but been reading a long while. Thought I would go full circle back to the orginal topic and ask a question about the different tracklists. Obviously 2 versions of the gig are out there: the live soundboard, over 2 hours beginning with NU Train and the 3 hour - 3 CD set that we heard this past weekend, beginning with JAL. So we now have two different orders of tracks and missing tracks on the 2 hr set. Anyone know the correct order for the entire 3 hour concert?

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Thanks

M

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Clearly we are not going to agree on this. But maybe that is because I am old and jaded now and accept the things I can't change, but resolve to change the things I have some power over.

Hey now, don't call yourself old -- I'm not too terribly far behind you!

What's there to change out of this? Maybe along that paradigm we're not all that dissimilar, it's just that you have a more gentle approach and I go off like a bull in a china closet.

But understand that the first time I heard anything about this release or even saw this thread was last night -- I understand that you've been knee-deep in involvement in this thread and you're tired of dealing with it but that wouldn't have mattered any in regards to me posting or what I posted. So instead of going back and forth let's just not because in the end it matters little.

[Professor]

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