Tracklisting Of Tokyo Gig

[Eikman]

Originally Posted by goldfish

(probably less legally dubious if the radio station is broadcasting illegally downloaded tunes, eh Eik...).

so....how do you know that? ever heard of official promos and legal downloads from, let's say, bleep.com and kompakt-mp3.net?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by goldfish

I'm just not the type of person to pull up the ladder after me, and then moan when I'm asked to put it back down again. But you're alright, jack, I never doubted you would be.

TTFN

So what you are saying is that if I manage to come across a rip of these CD's, I am somehow morally obliged to advertise it on here and share it with anyone who comes into this forum and asks for it, whether I know them or not, whether they have even posted on here or not (because one guy PM'd me who had registered but never posted), whether I have had any personal dealings with them or not, whether I know what their intentions for the use/sale of those rips are or not?

That's complete piffle and you are just flame-baiting for the sake of it now, Simon.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by goldfish

Slight return.

and how we've missed you.

Originally Posted by goldfish

a) It's not commercial

It's no different to any other soundboard recording.

wrong and wrong.

Thats basically it, folks. I'm not gonna be posting anymore in this thread unless I have some good news regarding the Tokyo release, which I hope is soon.

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by Eikman

so....how do you know that? ever heard of official promos and legal downloads from, let's say, bleep.com and kompakt-mp3.net?

Just because you've always said that you download lots of music via P2P and very rarely buy any. Either way, broadcasting it publically without paying royalties is non-legit.

Simon

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

So what you are saying is that if I manage to come across a rip of these CD's, I am somehow morally obliged to advertise it on here and share it with anyone who comes into this forum and asks for it, whether I know them or not, whether they have even posted on here or not (because one guy PM'd me who had registered but never posted), whether I have had any personal dealings with them or not, whether I know what their intentions for the use/sale of those rips are or not?

Nope.

Those who are willing and able to share the mix should be allowed to do so, and should be allowed to discuss it - where else would you discuss Underworld than dirty.org? Even if more people cared about RTSR, this is about sharing, not trading.

If anything, people should be encouraged to help undermine skalpers and bootleggers exploiting fans via eBay. Otherwise we head into a situation whereby the only people to benefit are the skalpers and those rich enough to pay silly money on eBay. All this for something which if more readily available would in no reasonably defined fashion harm Underworld, or anyone else for that matter.

If you don't want to, that's entirely up to you.

Simon

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by stimpee

Thats basically it, folks. I'm not gonna be posting anymore in this thread unless I have some good news regarding the Tokyo release, which I hope is soon.

Why not just say what it is and be done with all this? Why the pathetic little games?

As before, I doubt anyone who would download the set wouldn't buy a re-released Tokyo show.

So allowing people, encouraging people to discuss and share the live shows does noone any harm (and would stop people profiteering from Underworld).

Simon

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by goldfish

Nope.

Those who are willing and able to share the mix should be allowed to do so, and should be allowed to discuss it - where else would you discuss Underworld than dirty.org? Even if more people cared about RTSR, this is about sharing, not trading.

If anything, people should be encouraged to help undermine skalpers and bootleggers exploiting fans via eBay. Otherwise we head into a situation whereby the only people to benefit are the skalpers and those rich enough to pay silly money on eBay. All this for something which if more readily available would in no reasonably defined fashion harm Underworld, or anyone else for that matter.

If you don't want to, that's entirely up to you.

Simon

1. It is not a mix. It is a collection of CDs recorded by the band and their management to be sold for commercial gain at their Japanese concerts. This is not a "bootleg", sound-board or otherwise, no matter how hard you try to twist the semantics to serve your argument.

2. I reiterate in challenging you to find a post where anyone is banning anyone from sharing or trading this P2P. The matter was discussed by RTSR member and it was decided that because of the commercial nature of the release, RTSR was not the proper place to be sharing it because it crossed a line into trading/sharing commercial product.

3. Dirty.Org is the official Underworld forum. I maintain my position, purely out of respect for the Band, that this is not the place to be openly sharing/trading commercial product. It never has been and it never should be. That is my personal opinion. There is absolutely nothing to stop people pm'ing or emailing each other if they want to enter into discussions. Otherwise, where do you draw the line? What if the next album is produce in different versions for different markets worldwide? Should the Australian CD be ripped and "shared" on here because there are two extra tracks on it? Should the Outer Mongolian DVD Special? It's a slippery slope.

4. People can get hold of this quite easily if they look for it in the right place - you said yourself you had most of it. But people coming in here and demanding that a copy of it be linked for them to download and insulting anyone who has a copy and hasn't shared it with them, (as at least one of the posters on this thread has done), is hardly likely to endear people towards wanting to share the picking of their nose with them, much less anything else.

I, too, am withdrawing from this conversation now. I have said what needs to be said.

Edit: apart from this, which I missed:

Originally Posted by goldfish

Why not just say what it is and be done with all this? Why the pathetic little games?

Simon

Pathetic little games? What IS your issue with people exactly? Sulking for weeks in the background, then bouncing back up to take personal pops at Stimpee, Eike and I? That is pathetic, Simon.

[Flux]

This is worse than the Xbox360 shortage.

Pretty funny how all those 360 boxes are just sitting on Japanese shelves while here in the US people are clawing each other for a little piece of the 360 pie.

The Japanese get everything: 360's, ninjas, udon, square enix, sexy japanese girls, origami, wasabe, sake, nifty gadgets, cute pokemon figurines, pocci, dragon ball z, hentai, robots, ultraman, astro boy, Osaka palace, Nissan Skylines and rare underworld releases. Those bastards.

I'd like to recieve a bootleg copy of a sexy origami japanese girl in a nissan skyline.

[MN-Jeff]

Originally Posted by Flux

This is worse than the Xbox360 shortage.

Pretty funny how all those 360 boxes are just sitting on Japanese shelves while here in the US people are clawing each other for a little piece of the 360 pie.

That's because the Japanese realize an inferior Microsoft product when they see one. They're all waiting for the Playstation 3. Blu-ray, baby.

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by goldfish

Why not just say what it is and be done with all this? Why the pathetic little games?

maybe because he has to wait until there's been official word from the band about this? Just a guess.

I'd say there's a big possibility UW will release this set eventually trough UWlive, so let's all just exercise the great power of patience for a while and enjoy the good stuff we've been given already, although it seems for some people nothing is ever good enough. ah well...