Tracklisting Of Tokyo Gig - Page 8

change · #71 01-05-2006, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by potatobroth

my sentiments exactly. $170 for a cd... its fucking ridiculous.

How about $341 for a CD? That's twice what potatobroth said was fucking ridiculous and is more than $110 per CD. Eek, I suck as math but I took the time to figure that one out all by myself. Someone REALLY has some disposable income. Anyone else think this is absurd?

MN-Jeff · #72 01-05-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by change

How about $341 for a CD? That's twice what potatobroth said was fucking ridiculous and is more than $110 per CD. Eek, I suck as math but I took the time to figure that one out all by myself. Someone REALLY has some disposable income. Anyone else think this is absurd?

The same thing sort of happened with DJ Shadow and the "Product Placement" cd. Only a limited number were made and sold for about $15, but people were selling cd-r's of the album for up to $99 on eBay. And of course, Shadow received no money from those.

I can easily see the same thing happening here. I'll be honest - I'd pay money for a cd-r of the Tokyo gig, just because I can't hear it anywhere else. If Underworld were smart, they'd have it available to download on their site, like they've done with LBT and PFE. I'd rather give my money to Underworld than some bootlegger, but right now that's just not an option.

Jan · #73 01-05-2006, 08:34 AM

My limit was at $60 and i thought THAT was ridiculous!

stimpee · #74 01-05-2006, 10:20 AM

Is anyone gonna say anything constructive in this thread or are you all just gonna bitch about how you cant get this 3cd set? its not the be-all and end-all you know. Try and ignore stupid people with too much money on ebay for now. Even mattval1 said it was too expensive!

chill out.

In the past two months there have been:

2 riverrun projects released.
A Japanese only EP also which is possible to get through official sources (though its not easy).
The Osaka and the Tokyo gigs broadcast on Underworldlive.com.
The Sofia and Benecassim live gigs coming in parts on Underworldlive.com.
A live Underworld set on Underworldlive with lots of new material.
Some bootlegs of some of the gigs from 2005 floating around on the internet.

and what is coming soon?

3rd Riverrun project release (very probably)
More Sofia and Benecassim material
Remixes of Riverrun material on vinyl

and thats just the stuff we KNOW about. Now, there were 1000's of this Tokyo gig pressed. It will take time but these will filter down to the masses eventually. Now if you can stop getting yer knickers in a twist and sit back and enjoy the massive amount of stuff listed above and wait, because nothing is moving any faster by your moaning, then I'm sure something will happen eventually. Be that cheaper copies popping up or mp3s appearing on P2P networks, or even Underworldlive selling some copies to diehard fans at reasonable prices.

To those who want to continue to rant and complain that Underworld haven't been generous enough, please go off and have buttsex with Pearl Jam. Meantime, the rest of us can let Underworld carry on with their experimental releases and fine tune the process until they are satisfied with it, while we enjoy the music.

goldfish · #75 01-05-2006, 10:51 AM

How about a sweepstake to see who on the board has begged, borrowed or stolen a copy/download.

I've got a fiver on Stimp.

Having had a good look through this thread, I haven't seen many, if any complaining that Underworld are the problem here.

The CDs were released. They're absolutely unattainable except through people profiteering on eBay. There are some people out in the ether who have copies or mp3s of these discs.

Underworld would not, under any circumstances, lose out if these were made available for download; the only people interested in downloading the live sets are exactly the same people who would rush out and buy them were they made available in the shops.

Not that long ago, the community here would have simply made sure that the love was spread. Making sure that stuff like this is readily available instantly devalues the eBay auctions and undermines those who would horde and resell for profit or sell bootlegs. It's a win-win situation for band and fans alike.

I've got the majority of it; PM me if you want it. If nothing else, at least it's better than the river run drivel.

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BeautifulBurnout · #76 01-05-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish

How about a sweepstake to see who on the board has begged, borrowed or stolen a copy/download.

I've got a fiver on Stimp.

Having had a good look through this thread, I haven't seen many, if any complaining that Underworld are the problem here.

The CDs were released. They're absolutely unattainable except through people profiteering on eBay. There are some people out in the ether who have copies or mp3s of these discs.

Underworld would not, under any circumstances, lose out if these were made available for download; the only people interested in downloading the live sets are exactly the same people who would rush out and buy them were they made available in the shops.

Not that long ago, the community here would have simply made sure that the love was spread. Making sure that stuff like this is readily available instantly devalues the eBay auctions and undermines those who would horde and resell for profit or sell bootlegs. It's a win-win situation for band and fans alike.

I've got the majority of it; PM me if you want it. If nothing else, at least it's better than the river run drivel.

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Nice to see you back Simon

And back to your old self again!

Search the forums - I think you will find it difficult to find ANYONE who has said that people should not obtain this through P2P if that is what they want to do. The original thread concerning this simply argued, and correctly so imo, that if you WERE going to download it, the official Underworld forum and, for that matter, RTSR, were not the place to be trading the thing, as it was an official commercial release by the band and did not fall into the usual RTSR "bootleg" category. In the same way that people ought not to be offering to trade any other limited edition commercial materials they have obtained ON HERE. What they do outside of the forum is entirely their concern and no-one elses.

What these threads have mostly been about is people whining because they couldn't get the actual CD's because they have only been made available to the people who attended Electroglide*. Albeit that there are several thousand of those floating about Japan as we speak, they are as rare as rocking-horse shit for the time being.

The gig itself was streamed (as I discovered only this morning) so there are likely to a gzillion copies available in the ether. So what.

It is very nice of you to offer to share it. But once again you seem to have missed the whole point, dear.

ps. Shame you didn't put your fiver on me.

* edit: and the occasional complete stranger demanding that anyone who has it should share it with them because it is their divine birthright or something.

potatobroth · #77 01-05-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish

How about a sweepstake to see who on the board has begged, borrowed or stolen a copy/download.

I've got a fiver on Stimp.

Having had a good look through this thread, I haven't seen many, if any complaining that Underworld are the problem here.

The CDs were released. They're absolutely unattainable except through people profiteering on eBay. There are some people out in the ether who have copies or mp3s of these discs.

Underworld would not, under any circumstances, lose out if these were made available for download; the only people interested in downloading the live sets are exactly the same people who would rush out and buy them were they made available in the shops.

Not that long ago, the community here would have simply made sure that the love was spread. Making sure that stuff like this is readily available instantly devalues the eBay auctions and undermines those who would horde and resell for profit or sell bootlegs. It's a win-win situation for band and fans alike.

absolutely 100% right on the money.

i just want to hear this fantastic set. i dont give a damn about the actual official hard copy. ive never cared about the hard copy where bootlegs are concerned. its not a question of waiting patiently and/or being greedy either. its about wanting to hear music by the band we all love. if there had been a mention that it would be available at some point on UWlive then sure, we'd all happily await it. but guess what, zero mention. so some fans come to the official forums to seek it out. its not that hard to understand really.

the japanese fans would still be left with something special (hardcopy) while the rest of the fans around would be left with something special of their own... the music.

and i agree, goldfish, there are probably people on these forums that have it in both mp3 and cd format. its much easier to say 'be patient' when you have full access to it. :P

mmm skyscraper · #78 01-05-2006, 11:38 AM

Is Aquafunk as good as the title? i don't really care if I hear it; just wondering.

potatobroth · #79 01-05-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

the official Underworld forum and, for that matter, RTSR, were not the place to be trading the thing, as it was an official commercial release by the band and did not fall into the usual RTSR "bootleg" category.

but that is what RTSR does. it collects bootlegs. just because UW sold a
finite amount doesnt change the fact that this is still a bootleg. not a penny to be lost in the sharing of this show.

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What these threads have mostly been about is people whining because they couldn't get the actual CD's because they have only been made available to the people who attended Electroglide

it may be misconstrued this way, but im willing to bet that most people just want to hear the show. mp3 format would appease most if not all of us. for me, its never been a matter of holding the disc in my hand.

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The gig itself was streamed (as I discovered only this morning) so there are likely to a gzillion copies available in the ether. So what.

and the Osaka gig is out there. and traded via p2p. so exactly 'so what?' its not causing any strife with uw or trading groups.

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It is very nice of you to offer to share it. But once again you seem to have missed the whole point, dear.

i dont think he has missed the point. no one here is arguing that we share RiverRun or Second Toughest which is the way you are making it sound.

BeautifulBurnout · #80 01-05-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by potatobroth

but that is what RTSR does. it collects bootlegs. just because UW sold a
finite amount doesnt change the fact that this is still a bootleg. not a penny to be lost in the sharing of this show.

How do you know that UW aren't in the middle of negotiating some kind of deal with a record label to be able to release this worldwide? No-one knows. The fact remains it wasn't a bootleg made by an audience-member, it was a commercially-released sound-board recording of a live gig made by the band for commercial purposes. There was much discussion about this in RTSR before it was agreed that we should not, therefore, be trading it through the RTSR FTP/torrent tracker. But, I reiterate, what individuals choose to do if they have managed to track down copies is entirely a matter for them.