Is this one of you??

[undarrenworld]

Originally Posted by TheRev

And now someone else is making money off THEIR hard work? Because they took the trouble of burning it to a CD? Come on. That's pretty messed up.

Yes I agree.

[undarrenworld]

Originally Posted by machin chouette

personal humanity ? i don't get what you're trying to say but it is my fault cause i am not speaking english
And i don't see the big deal , to sell free stuff on ebay ? and so what ?

let's say i've got a poster ( i ve stolen it in the street ) from our beloved band , and now i go to ebay and sell it ?
It's gonna make you sad ?

And i was'nt trying to be funny , just my miserable thoughts on this poor subject

That poster is another thing, the Blue Mountain gig is copyrighted (or it should be), what means that no one is allowed to make money using that licence without permission of the author.

BTW: But some people never realise that the money is not the main thing.

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a lot of journalists do that making money by reselling stuff they've got for free

that's a very good point...

[stimpee]

selling stuff you got for free isnt counterfeiting is it though?

[GoatSucker]

well pictures are copyrighted and someone somewhere had put a lot of work into that " poster" (so yes it is the same thing)

No, it's not. You're confusing selling a tangible item, with mass duplicating a non-tangible item (the artwork / the music).

If you a selling a single poster, you are selling the physical item. But if you were to print a 100 copies of that poster, and sell each of them, you're talking about copyright infringement.

Same with the gig. If by chance, you were given a promo version of that gig on CD, you would be allowed to sell that single promo copy. But you can't possibly believe that duplicating that CD several times and selling copies of it is the same, morally or legally.

Just because you received the download for free, and it didn't come with a several page long license, doesn't mean that you have been given the right to do what you please with it. In fact, copyright law states that unless you have been given special rights by the copyright holder, you can't do shit with it. End of story.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by machin chouette

soulseek : communism
ebay : capitalism
RTSR: private privileged club

There is nothing "privileged" at all about RTSR. Anyone can become a member (as people have said on these boards time and time again); anyone can access a whole variety of materials PROVIDING THEY ABIDE BY THE RULES AND DO NOT "SHARE" IT FOR COMMERCIAL GAIN. That is the RTSR "licence agreement", if you like.

In that respect it is no different than Open Office or any other free source softwear, all of which comes with a licence agreement obliging people to share it for FREE if they are going to share it. Naturally, if anyone was dumb enough to burn Open Office to a CD and try and sell it on eBay they would get the same sort of stick that the sellers of this particular "shareware" are getting on here.

[sanakan]

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

free source softwear

i like that typo very much
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[undarrenworld]

Yes I agree with GoatSucker in the case of that poster.

[TheRev]

Originally Posted by machin chouette

and a lot of journalists do that making money by reselling stuff they've got for free (copyrighted stuff) (second hand market is something very very usual)

What a journalist does is completely different from someone burning copyrighted material to a CD and selling it for profit.

A journalist takes a story, word of actual events, and presents them to the public in a particular, digestable format. Which requires a certain amount of skill, and a level of work and time invested.

Also someone who has journalist report on their copyrighted material benefits from the publicity. And don't even try to pull the argument that selling it on ebay is more publicity for Underworld, because we're not even talking the same leauge here.

[wrong bloke]

Originally Posted by TheRev

What a journalist does is completely different from someone burning copyrighted material to a CD and selling it for profit.

A journalist takes a story, word of actual events, and presents them to the public in a particular, digestable format. Which requires a certain amount of skill, and a level of work and time invested.

I think you totally missed machin chouette's point. Machin was dealing with the fact that many music journalists sell the CDs they receive for free from the record labels. They just need to go once in a while in second-hand shops to get a nice amount of cash by selling the CDs they didn't like.