Turner prize- art? or just a shed?

[Tiger]

most conceptual art like this leaves me cold, although in a similiar way the boxes (fu(k knows what the artist actually called it) in the wind turbine hall at tate modern are just stacked boxes and can represent whatever you want, but they're still just boxes.

[Rog]

Originally Posted by Tiger

most conceptual art like this leaves me cold, although in a similiar way the boxes (fu(k knows what the artist actually called it) in the wind turbine hall at tate modern are just stacked boxes and can represent whatever you want, but they're still just boxes.

I don't know what the artist called it but i'd call it bollocks!
If Damien or one of his lot put a dog turd on a plate and called it art then some twat would buy it.........

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(the boxes are excellent)

[big screen satellite]

the most ridiculous things i've seen as 'modern' art:

pieces of paper (A4 etc) screwed up into balls

a blob of blu tac on a plinth

a room with a light switch

rubbish

an unmade bed

What do these people do at home when coming up with this, think wow, lets see how far we can take the art world for a ride...???

Personally i think art should be pretty unique and intersting, but because i'm not an artist or don't have and 'art' degree (no offence, Mr. Hyde, who does have one....), if i screwed up a bit of paper and tried to sell it to the tate, i'd get arrested for being mad...or something

i mean how many attempts did the guy with the paper take to make his final submission???

Its crazy, and i suppose the ultimate thing is that we end up talking about it.

I was serious when i said the KLF were the best thing to happen to the Turder Prize, they actually questioned the idocies of art and the art world, and Bill and Jimmy are artists - so they had the right to do so...

They gave twice the winnings of the Turner prize to Rachael Whitread in '93 for the 'worst' piece in the competition, she also won the best piece...

... on a side note, should art be a competition - your art is better than these, here's £20,000...

back on track - nailing £100,000 grand to a picture frame and selling it as Art for £50,000 opened the question of what is art worth, would you as the purchaser of art destroy what you bought to make £50,000 out of it, but no longer have the art...they sold smaller pieces tenners strapped to bricks, on sale for a fiver...very clever...especially as they were basically taking the piss

Bill actually bought a painting himself costing around £40,000 by his favourite artist, got bored with it and cut it up, selling off the pieces, people bought them because they were his rather than the artists...i'm not sure how much he got back, but still - it did challenge the art 'idealism'...

anyhow, i know little about art, but i know what I like, and if its original, and authentic then hey its fine by me...the KLF art genuine artists, and what they do (did) is genius

i like what Underworld and Tomato do, as a collective, especially, art & music, moving images, its taking art in new directions...at least its unique and not pretentious bollocks

still the 'is it art' will continue, and will do every year the Turner prize runs, maybe I should give up and become a dustman, and sell my 'finds' to art galleries


Mattval1

[aNt]

everyone needs a shed? long as its a big shed with a bar and pool table in it,
also need some space for the projector and xbox360 innit! sweet that would
be- gets my vote!

[Rog]

Originally Posted by aNt

everyone needs a shed? long as its a big shed with a bar and pool table in it,
also need some space for the projector and xbox360 innit! sweet that would
be- gets my vote!

Unfortunately it was a crap shed.........

[dubman]

if it makes you think, if it makes you consider whether if it's art, if it's crap, if we should be outraged, anything, then i believe that it should be called art. the worst kind is that which you feel neutral to and stirs absolutely nothing.

whether it's any good is clearly up to you, but it's art nonetheless because it raises questions about its very nature and forces us to see if we can adapt some of the more fringe interpretations into this one word.

i think a lot of things many people would call bullshit is art. i think the willingness to put these ideas out and ask us to take it seriously with them is a worthwhile exercise just as asking us to completely trash the faux-intellectual gabber is as well.

art is a lot of fun you guys

[votingfloater]

Originally Posted by dubman

if it makes you think, if it makes you consider whether if it's art, if it's crap, if we should be outraged, anything, then i believe that it should be called art. the worst kind is that which you feel neutral to and stirs absolutely nothing.

If this hadn't won the Turner prize, it would have sunk without trace and there would be no discussion. If I'd encountered this project by chance, it would have done nothing for me. By your rationale, since it's the very act of giving it a prestigious but controversial award which creates the discussion, the prizegiving process is art and the shed/boat/shed is just a found object re-interpreted.

Is a newspaper art? No; however I have never, ever read a newspaper without it provoking much more extreme emotional and intellectual reactions than the toss that is constantly passed off as art just now. Don't get me wrong, there is good stuff out there but this isn't it. This is the work of a pillock that didn't get Transformers out of his system when he was a kid.

Rog nailed this for me: if this is what draws someone's attention to the fact that we have completely fucked the global environment, then they're probably a cretin who doesn't read the papers enough (or George Bush - guilty of Greenhouse Denial).

[dubman]

Originally Posted by votingfloater

If this hadn't won the Turner prize, it would have sunk without trace and there would be no discussion. If I'd encountered this project by chance, it would have done nothing for me. By your rationale, since it's the very act of giving it a prestigious but controversial award which creates the discussion, the prizegiving process is art and the shed/boat/shed is just a found object re-interpreted.

um, obviously there was discussion put into it before, as this discussion resulted in giving it the Turner prize and exposing it to those who normally wouldn't know about it.

2: newspapers aren't presented as art, even though there is an art to them

and if a prestigious award is what it takes for you to really evaluate it, then so be it. otherwise it doesnt make sense for you to feel neutral to it until an outside source forces you to really look at it.

[Rog]

Originally Posted by dubman

art is a lot of fun you guys

I know it is mate and i like lots of different art........but at the end of the day, is my garden shed at home art? No.......its a shed......is the Turner prize winner art? No its also a shed and not even as good as mine