Bells & Circles Ft. Iggy Pop

[khouri]

It’s not that complicated. The piece is an old white man’s eulogy for the days where he could impose his thoughtless will on other people without restraint, which is necessarily a criticism of the world of today, a world increasingly defined by a rejection of that kind of behavior on every level. I find it an entirely unsympathetic posture.

But if I’m giving Iggy too much credit insofar as making a statement about the world, then maybe the song sucks even more because then he’s just literally ranting artlessly about his yearning for the days when he could smoke on airplanes, entirely ignorant of the world in which the song finds itself? Because intentionally provocative shit is still preferable to meaningless shit.

[twicezero]

Originally Posted by khouri

It’s not that complicated. The piece is an old white man’s eulogy for the days where he could impose his thoughtless will on other people without restraint, which is necessarily a criticism of the world of today, a world increasingly defined by a rejection of that kind of behavior on every level. I find it an entirely unsympathetic posture.

But if I’m giving Iggy too much credit insofar as making a statement about the world, then maybe the song sucks even more because then he’s just literally ranting artlessly about his yearning for the days when he could smoke on airplanes, entirely ignorant of the world in which the song finds itself? Because intentionally provocative shit is still preferable to meaningless shit.

Totes +100 on this

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by khouri

It’s not that complicated. The piece is an old white man’s eulogy for the days where he could impose his thoughtless will on other people without restraint

well yeah, but as everyone that uses this forum, i love Underworld for their poetry thru stream of consciousness and not incredibly cheesy fake prose.

steal planes and take them to Cuba: "he had a good business" - wtf is that? SO CRINGE.

[scary man]

Originally Posted by potatobroth

well yeah, but as everyone that uses this forum, i love Underworld for their poetry thru stream of consciousness and not incredibly cheesy fake prose.

steal planes and take them to Cuba: "he had a good business" - wtf is that? SO CRINGE.

Really? I just think it's funny.

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by scary man

Really? I just think it's funny.

eh. i think its pretty dumb. his list of rants involve smoking on the airplane (cant do that anymore), banging stewardesses (cant do that anymore), and hijacking planes (huh?)

[holden]

I'm glad that an Underworld track has got this much attention and debate!

Since 2000, I've been a fan, and pretty much every new track has required some "getting used to". Several listens into this, and I love it. The words melt away, the important parts left are the beats, the "sunshine on my wings", and echoed "you can't do that".

[scary man]

Originally Posted by potatobroth

eh. i think its pretty dumb. his list of rants involve smoking on the airplane (cant do that anymore), banging stewardesses (cant do that anymore), and hijacking planes (huh?)

He doesn't talk about 'banging stewardesses' he talks about not being brave enough to ask the stewardess for her telephone number, so her snorts a gram of Chang to gain confidence, then she gives him her phone number, but because he was so stoned, he loses her number.
He then reflects that taking the cocaine was a mistake.

There's a whole story there you're changing to suit your own projected meaning.

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by scary man

There's a whole story there you're changing to suit your own projected meaning.

"and if they were hot you could try to pick them up" & "the stewardess would have been better than the cocaine" -- sorry, that i inferred Iggy meant banging and not taking them out for a steak dinner. :\

and the song is not solely about Iggy's courage. Its about a time long gone by. And somehow that involves (even comedically) hijackings.

[scary man]

Originally Posted by potatobroth

"and if they were hot you could try to pick them up" & "the stewardess would have been better than the cocaine" -- sorry, that i inferred Iggy meant banging and not taking them out for a steak dinner. :\

and the song is not solely about Iggy's courage. Its about a time long gone by. And somehow that involves (even comedically) hijackings.

Well, I didn't get that the hijacking story was connected to the story about getting the phone number, other than he was talking about planes and the train of thought took him that way.
I'm sure you've had conversations, that's kind of how they work, don't they?
But, you know, the vocal doesn't work for you. That's fine. Personally, I think your reading of it is a slightly snooty and a tad humourless. That's all.