abortion: reducing abortions and retaining women's rights.

Strangelet · #1 07-02-2011, 03:04 PM

i honestly don't think it would be the end of the world if states made their own abortion laws, mainly because it would ultimately come to the same state of affairs as we have now. Look, abortions are here to stay. They aren't going anywhere. If people started with that, they might be able to combine perspectives and come to a more humane system for everyone. You're just treading on seriously emotionally charged territory with this stuff so its really hard to have a practical conversation.

Strangelet · #2 07-02-2011, 03:19 PM

incidentally abortion would never be outlawed in Utah. Mormons are pretty pragmatic about it. They don't like it, but they know its a necessary evil that must be available for people who, between themselves and their own conscience, decide they need to do it.

I see a lot of wisdom in that, keeping it personal? you know?

jOHN rODRIGUEZ · #3 07-02-2011, 05:13 PM

Oh where is cacaphony when I need her to put you sons of bitches in your places?

bryantm3 · #4 07-02-2011, 05:40 PM

oh yeah, i remember that.

this ultimately isn't about whether an unborn child is alive or not, at least in this particular debate— i'm trying to come up with a practical solution of how to reduce abortions without entirely removing the option and thereby curbing women's rights. bottom line, nobody LIKES abortions. it's a women's rights/privacy issue. if you can come up with a way to protect those rights and reduce abortions you come up with a good compromise— this is my idea.

Strangelet · #5 07-03-2011, 11:30 AM

I get it, it makes sense what you're doing, but i don't think making it more inconvenient is going to do anything to stop it. If you can't have/don't want a child, there's nothing more inconvenient than 9 months of pregnancy, delivery and the years of responsibility,whether you live up to it or not, that follows.

And maybe I'm wrong but that's the basis of your concept: not making it illegal, but more inconvenient. That's only going to piss people off, and may be send a few moms to be in a back alley with a coat hanger and a bottle of vodka for anesthetic. You know, what they did before Roe V Wade.

Keep it legal, everywhere. Now what?