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Originally Posted by King of Snake

I think Yannick has been clear enough about the fact that none of the current designs on dirty (or the forum for that matter) are permanent or final versions.

Surely this then is the best time to highlight the need to do things properly. It's not difficult to achieve, and can still incorporate arrays of coloured blobs and grainy photos, but you do need to do it now rather than leave it until later.

We're not in the dark ages of Frontpage-designed IE-only 1024x768 full of <marquee> tags and flashing gifs any more. We know how to do things better, so that everyone can use them, and they can be used from anywhere; the information and expertise is all around us.

Originally Posted by King of Snake

oh yeah, that's real cool by the way how you put "design" in quotation marks. Care to elaborate on the difference between "real" design and art wank "design"?

Good design looks good, is functional and inclusive. It doesn't restrict itself or fail to do the job it's designed to do purely in order to look good. And it brings everyone to the party.

Bad "design" is a beautiful spiral staircase, all steel wire, back lit glass steps and brushed aluminium bannisters that doesn't reach from the ground floor to the 1st.

That's a physical equivalent of the photoshop-wankery that gets passed off as design here. It may be art, but it isn't design.

Simon