Iranian uranium

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

Extremely considered.

We've been to this movie before. . .

If someone were to say 'Obliterate Nazi's!' you wouldn't think twice.

Zionism is evil - the equvalent of Nazism.

Any group that believes their theology affords political gain must be stopped - by any means.

Zionism ≠ Judaism

Unfortunately, to express opposition to Zion, is considered antisemetic. Nothing could be further from the truth.

google:

Irgun
Haganah
King David Hotel
Deir Yassin
Al-Kabri
Kafr Qasim

I could go on and on.

Isreal should be wiped from the map, just as Nazi Germany was.

O.K., but then the other country obliterating another country then becomes the Nazish type thing they are saying they don't like, no? I mean, I really didn't want to comment on this as I don't truely know the entirety of opposing tensions in this region to make a clear comment.

So there is a crazy right in the area. I'm SHOCKED!!! Are you part of the crazy left in the area? Or more center? Or center-right? Or center-left? Or center-center. Oh just forget it all, wanna smoke a joint and go to an Underworld show? And, I mean, don't look at me I don't have any, but hoping you would or something.




*****

AND, NO, I'M NOT WATCHING NO DAMN LAWRENCE OF ARABIA! Just keep posting the google bit you can go on & on & on about . . .

[bas_I_am]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

O.K., but then the other country obliterating another country then becomes the Nazish type thing they are saying they don't like, no?

No, a people have a right to defend themselves.
And to take up the fight of the oppressed is noble.

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

I mean, I really didn't want to comment on this as I don't truely know the entirety of opposing tensions in this region to make a clear comment.

See Lawrence Of Arabia and you will understand the issue.

[Rog]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

Isreal should be wiped from the map, just as Nazi Germany was.

I am no lover of Israel but words fail me when i read this........you're just as bad as they are.

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what happens to non-zionist israelis?

[Rog]

maybe they'll get wiped from the map too..............

[Deckard]

I really didn't want to make this a thread about Israel, but I have to pick up on this...

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

Isreal [SIC] should be wiped from the map, just as Nazi Germany was

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

Any group that believes their theology affords political gain must be stopped - by any means.

Go on, keep going...

Given the extreme unlikelihood of a voluntary diaspora, what's the furthest you're willing to go to stop the regime/movement? Carpet bombing populated towns and cities? A ground offensive? Nuking the place?

Or was "by any means" just a bit of keyboard warrior rhetoric?

I'm assuming you have no relatives living over there?

Since you accept that Zionism ≠ Judaism, do you also accept that Israeli ≠ Zionist? And if so, how does that sit with your "by any means"?

[bas_I_am]

Originally Posted by Deckard

Given the extreme unlikelihood of a voluntary diaspora, what's the furthest you're willing to go to stop the regime/movement? Carpet bombing populated towns and cities? A ground offensive? Nuking the place? Or was "by any means" just a bit of keyboard warrior rhetoric?

"Any means" means "Any Means"
google Dresden

Originally Posted by Deckard

I'm assuming you have no relatives living over there?

No, I don't. If I did, I would engage them constantly to find out where they stand and compel them to reassess their moral stance.

Originally Posted by Deckard

Since you accept that Zionism ≠ Judaism, do you also accept that Israeli ≠ Zionist? And if so, how does that sit with your "by any means"?

Many Israeli nationals are arab, many are muslim, many are christian, as well as hebrew. An Israeli national is not necessarily a zionist. Many israeli nationals, of all faiths, are anti-zionist and support repatriation of palestine.

Just as there were many Germans who were not Nazis.

[bas_I_am]

Originally Posted by Rog

I am no lover of Israel but words fail me when i read this........you're just as bad as they are.

Read the entire sentence. . . and quit drinking the Zionist kool-aid!

The zionists want people to believe when people say "Wipe Israel from the map" it is a call for a holocaust.

"Wipe Israel from the map" . . . REMOVE THE POLITICAL ENTITY THAT IS ISRAEL
"Just as Nazi Germany was" . . . NOWHERE WAS THERE WHOLESALE GENOCIDE OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE!

A map is nothing more than political borders that contain named regions. To "wipe Israel from the map" means, remove the political claim the zionists have made on palestine.

In other words. . .

Destroy the political entity that is Israel just as we destroyed the political entity that was Nazi Germany.

Learn to read.
Learn to think.
Learn to learn.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Oakie-Dokie. We'll just write it off as the crowning jewel in the area of mis-speaking the world has ever seen.

We all feel so much more warm and fuzzier now. I'm gonna put in a smiley too, . Everyone: Have a Nice Day!

[Strangelet]

1) Do you believe Iran's claim that it is only pursuing nuclear energy?

Yes and then they will hand out nuclear energy to all the poor homeless children of the world and everyone will sing songs.


2) In your view, are Iran entitled to develop a nuclear weapons program?

I get the whole post-colonial empathy running around arguing for equal treatment for developing nations. I however think its absurd to apply that template of fairness towards the issue of nuclear weapons. Of course they aren't entitled to nuclear weapons. No one is entitled to nuclear weapons and it makes me uncertain about the wisdom of our species to hear people make playground fairness arguments about something so threatening to our survival.


3) Would you be willing to live with a nuclear-armed Iran? (Hans Blix says he would)

As much as I'm willing to live in a world with Sean Hannity and Sara Palin. I mean are you saying I have options? That's exciting.

4) If diplomacy and sanctions fail, what - if anything - should the rest of the world do about it?

Diplomacy and sanctions *will* fail, and it always amazes me how much we still fawn over sanctions. I'm hard pressed to think of one example where economic sanctions achieved a single stated objective, let alone didn't further embolden and unite the target country against us, handing more power to their despotic regime.

However, there simply is no military solution. Its best for government analysts to start redrawing the risk board where in 30 years even countries like Somalia may be buying their uranium enrichment do it yourself kit. What is that world like? How does a free, democratic country defend itself?
Would there be such a thing as a free, democratic country in such an environment? That's what scares the shit out of me.