Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[dubman]

god it's going to be disappointing for everyone when this guy doesnt get re-elected because repubs found a way to market him as a failure.
next carter, guys. hope im wrong but calling it now

[Sean]

Originally Posted by dubman

god it's going to be disappointing for everyone when this guy doesnt get re-elected because repubs found a way to market him as a failure.
next carter, guys. hope im wrong but calling it now

That's why we need to support Palin as the 2012 Republican nominee. What better way to insure Obama gets re-elected?

So I've been increasingly disturbed by how blatant Republicans have gotten in their opposition to Obama, because it's grown to the point where it's actually become flat-out opposition to American success. This Nobel Prize is a perfect example to start with. While we could, as a united country, celebrate the potential international leverage that our President winning this prize could provide, instead, Republicans are calling it things like "unfortunate" (Republican National Chairman Michael Steele), or worse if you listen to tools like Limbaugh or Beck. Who are Republicans putting first in this case, America, or Republicans? I'd say Republicans.

But there are other examples that have been striking me lately, too. Like , an event that would have injected millions and millions of dollars of badly needed revenue into our economy. There is literally no way to justify celebrating this loss other than as a celebration of Obama's failure to sway the Olympic committee. But what Republicans were actually cheering was the loss of a massive injection of money into the American economy. So who are Republicans putting first in this case, America, or Republicans? Once again, Republicans.

Then there's our previous discussion about Obama's address to schoolchildren urging them to work hard, assume personal responsibility, and stay in school. Republicans were in a frothy tizzy over this perceived "brainwashing" and "indoctrination" of our country's kids into Obama's "socialist", "communist" or "Hitler-like" agenda. Who were Republicans putting first in rabidly opposing a call to children to do well in school, America, or Republicans? Yeah....Republicans.

And as a final example, let's look at our own resident Obama-hater, Mongoose, who started his own thread decrying Obama for "bombing the moon". This is a mission that, if it does detect water, will be a vital step in our drive to further explore our solar system and beyond - an adventure that has and will benefit the entire planet with each new discovery, solution, and invention that it spawns. So yet again (assuming you are a Republican Mongoose), who are Republicans supporting, themselves, America, mankind? Tell America and mankind to fend for themselves, because they ain't gettin any support from Republicans on this one either.

So all of this is to get to my ultimate question. Who was it that was so eager to label Presidential opponents as "un-American" from 2000-2008, when people were demonstrating against a war that they were perfectly justified in opposing? Oh yeah....it was Republicans. So now that Republicans are actually taking stands that will obviously and decidedly hurt our country purely in the name of personal, political gain, are they also willing to assume the well deserved label of being "un-American". I mean it's one thing to protest a war, but totally another to try leveraging political advantage by celebrating significant American financial loss, or urging that we destroy American opportunity that has arisen in the form of a Peace Prize for our President, or actively fighting against calls to our children to work hard and stay in school, or campaigning against the major human advances that would arise from the confirmation of water on the moon. A notable portion of Republicans, and anyone who supports all of these machiavellian idiocies, have become one of the most ignorant and selfish groups of people currently on the planet.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Sean

That's why we need to support Palin as the 2012 Republican nominee. What better way to insure Obama gets re-elected?

So I've been increasingly disturbed by how blatant Republicans have gotten in their opposition to Obama, because it's grown to the point where it's actually become flat-out opposition to American success. This Nobel Prize is a perfect example to start with. While we could, as a united country, celebrate the potential international leverage that our President winning this prize could provide, instead, Republicans are calling it things like "unfortunate" (Republican National Chairman Michael Steele), or worse if you listen to tools like Limbaugh or Beck. Who are Republicans putting first in this case, America, or Republicans? I'd say Republicans.

oh, come off it. like the democrats don't pull the same stuff when republicans are in office? i'm sure that if george w. bush had won some award, most of us would be lauding it. it's not about 'supporting the country'. obama is not america. bush is not america. they are our leaders, not gods.

Then there's our previous discussion about Obama's address to schoolchildren urging them to work hard, assume personal responsibility, and stay in school. Republicans were in a frothy tizzy over this perceived "brainwashing" and "indoctrination" of our country's kids into Obama's "socialist", "communist" or "Hitler-like" agenda. Who were Republicans putting first in rabidly opposing a call to children to do well in school, America, or Republicans? Yeah....Republicans.

once again, what if the war in iraq had just broken out, fahrenheit 9/11 had just come out, and george w. bush wanted to speak to schoolkids about education. BRAINWASHING!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

oh, come off it. like the democrats don't pull the same stuff when republicans are in office? i'm sure that if george w. bush had won some award, most of us would be lauding it. it's not about 'supporting the country'. obama is not america. bush is not america. they are our leaders, not gods.



once again, what if the war in iraq had just broken out, fahrenheit 9/11 had just come out, and george w. bush wanted to speak to schoolkids about education. BRAINWASHING!!!

You seem to have missed my point. I'm not saying that opposing Obama is opposing America. That would be a stupid assertion. What I said is that Obama's opponents have reached a point where they're opposing him at the expense of America. For instance, as I mentioned earlier, losing the Olympics meant losing a huge influx of revenue for the entire U.S. - liberals and conservatives alike - but many Republicans literally cheered the national loss because they prioritize any defeat of Obama over a victory for the country. That's ass-backwards.

Also, I didn't say Democrats don't do similar stuff. In fact, I was complaining about Democrats doing the same kinds of things here on these boards during Bush's administration. What bothers me is that Republicans are doing the same thing but on steroids now - and with guns.

[Deckard]

Seems like, once again, extremist Muslims and the conservative right of America have found common cause.

Michelle Malkin:
"It's the final nail in the Nobel Peace Prize Committee's coffin."

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid:
"We condemn the institute's awarding him the peace prize. We condemn this year's peace prize as unjust."

Oh, get an island!!

Originally Posted by dubman

god it's going to be disappointing for everyone when this guy doesnt get re-elected because repubs found a way to market him as a failure.
next carter, guys. hope im wrong but calling it now

Yeah, I think you could well be right to call it like that. I honestly don't see how Obama can possibly outlive (in a political sense) the vehemence of his critics which, a mere 8 months into his presidency, just seems astonishing to me. You're right when you say he's being marketed as a failure. Sadly the impression I get is that it's working.

Can't help wondering how much of all this was seeded 12-18 months ago by the Clintons. We forget just how vicious that campaign was, and the amount of fear and nonsense that was doing the rounds, even before the guy got to flub his presidential oath. That Bill Clinton must be sucking lemons today following the Nobel announcement is at least a reason to smile.

[the mongoose]

Nope. I'm a Democrat, I never watch Fox, and I hated Bush's job in command as well. This is practically a one party system parading around as a two party system anyways.

OK fine, yes this looks good on America's resume or whatever........but, do you really believe that Pizza Hut has OMFG TEH BEST WINGZ EVA!!!! like they advertise?!? Of course they're not the best fucking wings out there, but if 50 million people are brainwashed cleverly like this:
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then you are going to lose credibility like the Wing King has (aka sold out)


So when Nobel says that OBAMAS IS TEH BEST PEACER EVA!! I just say.......of fucking course he's not the best fucking Peace bringer of the year, but if 5000 million people are brainwashed cleverly like this:

then you are going to lose credibility like the Nobel Peace Commitee has (aka sold out)


P.S. When you guys click on the Obomber the Moon thread to see what a looney batshit baby I am, read the other shit I say near the end about Miss America hopefuls and Super Bowl rings. I think that shit is relevant to this discussion.


But Obama - "YES YOU CAN! YES YOU DID! AND YES YOU DO!"

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

but, but

I'm officially crack-free as of a month ago. In every sense of the phrase Mr. Goose.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

Nope. I'm a Democrat, I never watch Fox, and I hated Bush's job in command as well. This is practically a one party system parading around as a two party system anyways.

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe you on this. You've parrotted every Republican and Glenn Beck talking point, and cut and pasted article after article from conservative sources like Townhall.com. You may not watch FOX, but you do seem to regularly follow the same sources they do.

Originally Posted by the mongoose

P.S. When you guys click on the Obomber the Moon thread to see what a looney batshit baby I am, read the other shit I say near the end about Miss America hopefuls and Super Bowl rings. I think that shit is relevant to this discussion.

That the differences between these examples needs to be pointed out to you is absolutely ridiculous. Does any Miss America or Super Bowl winner possess comparable world standing and intellect to effect change the way the President of the United States can? No, not at all. Which is why that shit is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

[cured]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

P.S. When you guys click on the Obomber the Moon thread to see what a looney batshit baby I am, read the other shit I say near the end about Miss America hopefuls and Super Bowl rings. I think that shit is relevant to this discussion.

Stuff you said or stuff you read from somewhere else, thought it was awesome, and then came here and represented it as your own?

Anyway, I agree with Deckard:

Will this hinder him?
Yes. Certainly in the US, where - short and long term - it seems to be perfect ammunition for ridicule. Which is a shame, because it's normally something to be immensely proud of. Overseas, will it hinder him? Only if he fails to live up to expectations, which is not unlikely. If he some day becomes known as a warmonger, the award may come to be viewed with the same disdain as Kissinger's.

To what Sean said, I read another interesting thing on Sullivan's blog awhile ago, which paraphrased went something along the lines of "Conservatives revolt because they feel they're the only ones fit to govern." At this point they really are reaching for anything. They're keenly aware that any positive remark or representation of anything Obama does will be replayed endlessly 2-3 years from now when the presidential TV ad campaign picks up. They never want to appear weak. Unfortunately, they haven't come up with any proposals that make any sense or that change the status quo.

How to raise revenue for the government? Cut taxes.

How to handle the housing crisis? Cut taxes.

How to get spending in control? Umm...cut taxes.

I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP cheered on another hurricane Katrina so they could blame the troubles with helping local residents on Obama. They're really the opposite of what they say they are; the GOP puts party first and America a distant second.