is there anyone else who is pro-life AND pro-gay rights, or is it just me?

[myrrh]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

I think we have something in common. We both have a segment of the population whom we feel are not adequate to raise or adopt children. For you its homosexuals. For me its the religiously pious. Just being honest.

And its clearly prejudiced and intolerant to paint all religiously fervent people as abusive parents. But you are doing nothing less with gays. You are talking about a nebulous environment of immorality under which children of gay parents must be raised. I can also talk about a nebulous environment of subjugation of individuality and of warping the relationships between a person and others, even their own bodies, under which children of the religiously fervent must be raised.

I'm using the same logic, but I kind of just used it to show that you are probably much more ill equipped to raise a child than Deckard. But of course that's not the kind of argument I'd want to make about a group of people. Even after I've seen what I've seen in my own religiously fervent community.

This is why I rarely post here anymore. I have never said that anyone is ill equipped to raise a child. In fact, if you read my post, I said exactly the opposite.

Let me restate my position again in the simplest terms I can:

I feel that a homosexual couple can raise a child, and provide the child with a loving and caring environment.

However, since I don't agree with a homosexuality, I can not support something that would say that it is 'okay' for a homosexual couple to raise a child. I don't think that it is 'okay', based on my person opinion, ideology and moral's.

These are my personal opinions, and I am entitled to have them. I don't feel that I am forcing them upon anyone here, nor do I think that I am not an open or broadminded person. In fact, I would say that I am very opened minded, unless your definition of opened minded means that you have to accept everything as being okay, and not have an opinion other than that.

I have nothing against Deckard, or Sean. I tend to only comment on things they post because they are two people who speak in well thought out logical, and rational terminology. They don't resort to the snide bullshit like was quoted here, that tends to be spit out by many. Because of this, I can sit and discuss things with them, and people like them, even on points where we clearly disagree. I don't feel that I disrespect them (or anyone) with my posts, either.

If anyone here feels differently, then feel free to speak up, and I will attempt to correct my speech.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by myrrh

If anyone here feels differently, then feel free to speak up.

i think you're pretty funny.
i think a lot of people here are improbably patient with you because they dont know what yr fucking deal is couched in, thinking that protesting is just another form of terrorism, or that somehow people who you 'allow' to be perfectly functioning people shouldnt be allowed to exist as such and raise a family because of what you believe in.

i think yr a classy idiot whose lucidity is all thats keeping him from being in the same circle of forum-hell as jOHN. i dont care if you stop posting, honestly.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Don't hate because I'm beautiful.

[dubman]

JOHN SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

As long as I know I've made you scream, I'm satisfied.

Click the fucking ignore button bitch.

[dubman]

i literally scream everything i write.
i *do* have you on ignore, i just get logged out an awful lot.

besides, why is it on me to avoid you?
you should stop posting.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

You are just so cute when you get pissed off. I could just pinch your cheeks(on your face).

Please, just ignore me, I have more fun just reading what you have to say about what's going on with the other voices here.

Oh, and with this little shit right here:

Originally Posted by dubman

you should stop posting.

Mum always told me when people tell you can't do what they do, you just do more. Pisses them off.

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by myrrh

They don't resort to the snide bullshit like was quoted here, that tends to be spit out by many. Because of this, I can sit and discuss things with them, and people like them, even on points where we clearly disagree. I don't feel that I disrespect them (or anyone) with my posts, either

You are right. Sean and Deckard are more respectful and articulate. Which is why I hold the amount of respect I do for them.

Doesn't mean I want to take back what I posted, even if you felt disrespected, which was not my intention at all. You clearly have a problem with some of our lifestyle choices, even though you are clearly trying to persuade us that you don't judge us or anybody in particular. Maybe Sean and Deckard have the courtesy to rerfrain from turning that on its head towards you, but I don't.

I have serious problems with the life choices and attitudes that your posts represent. So is it really my invective that you find disrespectful, or that someone would actually have the nerve to tell you this?

Because, as little as you care for my ideas/posts, I find it very advantageous to read your ideas because of how contrary they are to my personal views.

[Deckard]

I would hardly call you less articulate, my friend!

In all honesty, you say what I think Sean and I probably feel like saying anyway. It's a good arrangement. You take the flak, we get the credit.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

You are right. Sean and Deckard are more respectful and articulate. Which is why I hold the amount of respect I do for them.

Well almost every time I post, I have to remind myself of how much more informative debates Deckard participates in turn out being than they've been when I get all pissy, so I credit him. But my natural tendency is definitely to be pissy. For the most part, I have to sit and breath deeply for a little while before replying to stuff - especially posts like that last analogy Myrrh offered up involving my wife...