Crunch

[BeautifulBurnout]

I have just started reading The Storm by Vince Cable - who, imo, is the only British politician/economist/talking head who has a clue about what to do about the Crunch - and in his intro he quotes Marx:

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and mechanical products, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."

Dunno about anyone else, but that gave me the shivers a bit, considering it was written over a century and a half ago...

[Deckard]

"...which will eventually lead to communism"

I was with him right up to that bit!

But chilling in its prescience nonetheless.

[Dunwho]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

I have just started reading The Storm by Vince Cable - who, imo, is the only British politician/economist/talking head who has a clue about what to do about the Crunch - and in his intro he quotes Marx:



Dunno about anyone else, but that gave me the shivers a bit, considering it was written over a century and a half ago...

I have the opinion that we are essentially bound to a sort of pendulum effect when it comes to the dominance of left-ist or right-ist thinking.

Essentially as we see that Marx pointed out faults in the capitalist system, leading to communism... there are in turn faults in communism, such as the need for constant revolution to maintain a functioning system and keep people working, which, without ethnic cleansing and a volitile foreign policy is extremely hard to maintain...this as we are seeing in China leads to a Capitalisation of communism in effect and the communist values and ethos is gradually lost to a capitalist (perhaps greedy) mindset, and once the head of the communist state is eventually removed and an acceptance of Capitalism established (Russia - although that is highly debatable buts its the closest example i got) the state has swung back towards Capitalism....

Essentially both systems are fundementally flawed in many ways... Pure Capitalism is essentially bound to an ideal of profit at all costs.. less about the people and more about the gain. Thus as we see happening now the People have to take the hit for a problem which is completely out of the control of the common person... the person is a number and a statistic - the answer? more social representation - Ill have a little bit of socialist thinking thank you very much...and before you know it the pendulum is swinging back to the left!

The only problem being that the communist ideal - while valuing the people, accounting for everyone, and providing a purpose for everyone - the system is impossible to maintain without constant expansion or a need to produce... thus the big losers are once again the people, who feel the iron fist of a Totalitarian state, the surplus in "the flock" are culled and only the stongest survive either through ethnic cleansing or through war... which is imposible to maintain and ultimately accepting a need to impose some capitalist measures... and once you have a nibble of the profit cookie, you wanna eat the whole thing!

So essentially what im saying is that while Marx is right, and was spot on when the communist party grew hugely in Europe and elsewhere before and after the wars...(only really stoped in France anyway by the requirements of Marshall Aid that all countries must not have a Communist government to recieve the aid).... there is no real happy medium, and while now there may be a big socialist push.. unless a Utopia is found and the pendulum miraculously stops in the middle.. we are going to be forever pulled from one to the other...


thus its nothing to worry about


Phew...sorry... dont know why i needed to do that... ignore the poor definitions, i am simply thinking out loud

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by Dunwho

Phew...sorry... dont know why i needed to do that... ignore the poor definitions, i am simply thinking out loud

Well, I like it when you think out loud. Gets me kinda Babe-like, you're so dreeeamy. :rollseyes:

Seriously though, some people need readings like this.


As far as reports on unemployment figures, I see patterns of a 10 - 11% unemployment rate by years end. Maybe even a number that hits close to home, but it has nothing to with me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30638290/

Let's hope bryant3 gets through his math courses sooner.

[Strangelet]

reminds me of the "great ascending spiral" hawthorne had his madman describe in the house of the seven gables.

we return to where we used to be but on a higher plane, progress always as certain as the return to the past.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

CMM (no pun intended)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability_Maturity_Model

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/22/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

Yeah, I've heard out the auto repo lists. Scary.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Here we Mother Fucking go: http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/03/news...ion=2009060316


Make weed legal, I need a damn joint.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Heads up kids!

Considering the adults have their heads(touchy subject that even the word touchy is a touchy subject, yet it seems to be much heard about, but ya know, it's a touchy subject) in the sand.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/05/reti...ion=2009060914

Opposing Left/Right agree on something!!! Scary.

So, this is a new problem - so far Mobipocket files both DRM and not-DRM on my iLiad have been working just fine. But, today I opened a Mobipocket file Ive been reading, and it opened on the first page, and not on the last page read. Ive tried it a few more times, and this happened everytime.I was wondering if anybody had the same problem, and if so, how it was solved?p.s. This mobipocket file was created from pdf file in Mobipocket Desktop Reader.