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Old 03-15-2009, 05:36 PM
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Re: Message to Rafa
i enjoyed dossena's chip for the fourth in front of an half empty stretford end...............well, after all its a long drive home; that and fergie being so angry with the result the purpleness of his nose had spread to his whole face although according to him utd were the better team!
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:49 AM
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Re: Message to Rafa
I'm here...

to defend my team...

Except i can't because i don't actually know what happened.

They simply fell apart (combined with Liverpool being resurgent). I would have taken 2-1 defeat, but being humiliated 4-1 at home by our biggest rivals hurts - it hurts bad, and will take something to get over - I'd rather have got knocked out of Europe than lose to Liverpool at home - seriously...

I have a couple of possible explanations

1. United were complacent - and assumed a draw would have been enough

2. Liverpool so needed to win that they played their socks off.

3. Liverpool were still on a crest of the wave that was the Real Madrid result (they too, a big club must be reeling a bit)

4. United's defence, which was at fault for three goals, and a sending off was also so complacent after the long run of results... this showed

5. Vidic has been bribed by Mourihno to scupper our season after not being banned for 3 games.

United should still win the league, but the difference between losing 4-1 and say 2-1 at home is massive... and it could psychologically harm them - its certainly harmed me!!

I wish I could brush it off but its not that easy... Fergie thinks we played well, possibly in parts, but it wasn't good enough, and 4-1 was flattering but it happened and Liverpool deserved the win - lets just leave it at that. Rafa will be smiling, lets hope at the end of the season or in the Champions League we can shove the result back in Rafa's bearded face.

the only concelation should come at the end of the season when we should reclaim the league but if this has damaged the team then that is something to worry about... we need a game soon to bounce back

not a good weekend to be supporting the Red Devils..
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:45 AM
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I'd rather have got knocked out of Europe than lose to Liverpool at home - seriously...
That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say (and I've seen Liverpool fans offer similar sentiments that they'd rather have lost to Madrid if it meant they could win at Old Trafford). Why would you rather win a more or less meaningless league game than progress to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League? So you lost a game at home to one of your rivals, so what? In the big scheme of things you're still going to win the league and you're still very much in the mix for the FA Cup & Champions League and could end this season with an unprecedented Quintuple.

And if the Liverpool fans still bring this game up at the end of the season then just point to their empty Trophy Cabinet and your overflowing one and see who laughs longest...
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:28 PM
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then just point to their empty Trophy Cabinet
without wishing to be too much of a smartarse, but when you win the European Cup 5 times you get to keep it for good..............................and anyway its March, the season's far from over
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:41 PM
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without wishing to be too much of a smartarse, but when you win the European Cup 5 times you get to keep it for good..............................and anyway its March, the season's far from over
I support Spurs so what would I know about such things?
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:37 PM
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Why would you rather win a more or less meaningless league game than progress to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League? ...
not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:31 AM
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not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
Well, there is the Arsenal thing, but I'd take losing to Arsenal everytime if it meant Spurs were winning League Titles and European Cups.

Plus there seems to be echoes of Welsh Rugby in that for years there was this mentality that as long as we beat the English it was a successful season, even if we lost all the other games. Thankfully we seem to have left that behind now (although there's still a minority that think that way). And while it will be great if we beat Ireland on Saturday and so win the Triple Crown I'd much rather we had put more points on Italy and so also be crowned champions if we were to win on the weekend
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:37 AM
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not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
i was exactly like that with my mum (who supports Liverpool) i didn't speak to her all weekend.

its more than just a game in the league for fans of these two clubs - see Rooney & (in previous years) Gary Neville's comments to the game's build up

As a United fan, i would rather win the Premier League every season, than the Champions League - i don't care what Fergie's priority is - the League to me is THE most important thing, and losing so heavily to the biggest rivals is THE worst you can get

beating Inter Milan - so what - its still just a knock out club competition, the League is a long fought out campaign which pits you against the same teams every year which you always want to beat. Simple.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:37 AM
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Re: Message to Rafa
couldn't have put it better myself! for us the premiership is the holy grail.....so what if we beat a few spanish and italian teams? It takes nearly 9 months of football to win the premiership......
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:39 AM
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Re: Message to Rafa
Funny.... in Spain everybody would agree that winning the Champions League would be far more difficult, if only for the level of the other competitors.... If you ask any Barça/Madrid fan they'd choose winning the European Cup over the League any day (at least I would!).
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