parah salin?

[chuck]

No.

When it gets hot in the kitchen - a smart cook opens a window or turn the extractor fan on.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by gambit

Cacophony, the ball is in your court.

elisabeth hasselbeck makes me want to eat my own eyeballs.

frankly i don't see anything sexist in the whole clothing-gate thing. no one gave a shit about what she wore until it came out that the amount of money spent was exorbitant. the controversy has been about the finances, not about the style. if joe biden had gone on a shopping spree and spent $150k on navy blue suits it would have been just as controversial.

i can't recall a word being breathed about palin's choice of clothing before the receipts were made public. to me, hasselbeck's comment says more about her own sexism and her peabrained knee-jerk connection between "women" and "clothing." she might as well have followed up her statement with, "tee hee don't you love shoes?!?!11"

[gambit]

Cacophony gains 6 experience points. It would've been more, but Elisabeth Hasselbeck is an easy target.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by chuck

I think Palin is the obligatory result of the last 8 years of Rove-led/O'Reilly-managed/Fox spun bile.

So then what you're basically saying is that Palin is America's vomit.

Originally Posted by cacophony

elisabeth hasselbeck makes me want to eat my own eyeballs.

You people are on fire tonight!

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

So then what you're basically saying is that Palin is America's vomit.

put that on a t-shirt and i'd wear it.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

You lot are completely heartless. It makes me sad.

Then, I laugh really hard holding my belly.

[cured]

I think Palin's career is over. If the democrats manage to get a filibuster-proof majority in the senate and continue gaining in the House, the conservative movement will likely have to come back to the center from the right. When these seats are safe for their demographic region, neither democrats or conservatives have to worry much about being challenged bysomeone from the other aisle. Rather, their competition comes from their own flanks so it encourages the lefties to stay on the left and the righties to stay on the right. Throw that into chaos and you have, now, an entire party that has to re-examine their message and their focus. This election is largely a verdict that the right has failed.

[dubman]

i think it's too soon to call that. call it having a bush in office for more than half my life but the way i see it republicans have a child-like tenacity and baselessness that wont stop them from plumbing the depths of pathos and division at every opportunuity to get what they want. i dont say democrats are free of this, but they def. stop short of the demagoguery we've seen this decade.

i'd say right now theyre simply confused. they dont have the right kind of rhetoric against his type that can sink him yet. he's like a rookie pitcher unleashed into the world series who gets the best men out because no one has seen his style to know how to swing against it. it'll only take time to figure out the angles of attack and form the unified front again. unless he's an unmitigated success they will definitely construe him as a major disappointment and know how to word it right this time.

they may be fumbling too late to scare everyone away from him, but this just means they have 4 years to do it now.


ok this next bit is unrelated but gambit sent this to me and it made me lol:
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html...523119-z_nbbwx

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by cured

I think Palin's career is over. If the democrats manage to get a filibuster-proof majority in the senate and continue gaining in the House, the conservative movement will likely have to come back to the center from the right.

i disagree. we ended up in this ultra-conservative nightmare because the public reacted in a hyper reflexive reaction to the last time the democrats held both executive and legislative branches. all we need is one good source of moral outrage and we could easily swing back to the extreme right.

[cured]

I was watching extreme left wing propagandist Bill Maher on his elite librul show on HBO and one of the guests noted that Obama would have about a year before the jury is in on him. If he does well, it will change the conversation within the conservative party. If he falls flat, there will be a lot of wardrum beating going on within conservative circles that "we were right, he was wrong for us." Of course, it's their complete lack attention and care and refusal tobe critical of their own which has given us the past 8 years. 9/11 did a lot to shake this country and standing up to a republican president who went on the attack was never going to be a very popular position but it doesn't also mean that the principles on domestic issues had to be thrown out the window, as they were.

Why I say Sarah palin is done is because she's given the left plenty of ammunition for the next four years. Her record in Alaska speaks that she's really not in control of her own house and that she looks disdainfully on education (she managed to get a BA in journalism but her son dropped out of high school and one of her daughters missed about half a year of school). Perhaps, in time, she can find her own voice when it comes to international affairs but it honestly looks like she just hasn't been interested in all of that. That's hardly patriotic, in my view. If she really thinks she's the next big ticket for the republican party, that leads me to wonder how she will govern Alaska, given the increased scrutiny and how she can really raise concern over issues that don't pertain to her state. Besides, the GOP has someone they'll be able to rally around in 4 years and that guy is Bobby Jindal.