California overturns ban on same-sex marriage

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

But the subsequent life experiences directly resulting from being married, which an unmarried person would have no experience with, are what make the point clearly relevant since that's what this conversation is basically about in the first place.

i'll concede that point.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

This should get interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26891725/

1.3 million raised for such wasted effort for ignorance. I just don't get how gays can make a mockery of marriage anymore than some have done with it. Oh wait, there were money gains invovled with those events.

Maybe if these same people focused efforts on things like, say, maybe, THIS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843836/ , I mean, it's just maybe the third occurance in a 12 month period.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

This should get interesting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26891725/

1.3 million raised for such wasted effort for ignorance. I just don't get how gays can make a mockery of marriage anymore than some have done with it. Oh wait, there were money gains invovled with those events.

Maybe if these same people focused efforts on things like, say, maybe, THIS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843836/ , I mean, it's just maybe the third occurance in a 12 month period.

Absolutely spot-on. Year after year we hear more stories of kids being abused by men of the cloth. To use their own analogy, they should deal with the beam in their own eye before criticising the speck in someone elses.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Absolutely spot-on. Year after year we hear more stories of kids being abused by men of the cloth. To use their own analogy, they should deal with the beam in their own eye before criticising the speck in someone elses.

How many false flags do we need to see?

The pieces of the puzzle are all there. How long for these religious(and corporate for that matter) organizations to see they've been infiltrated as well?

One has to wonder who's known all this time? Silence assists the killer.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

O.K., I thought gays guys were supposed to be the drama queens: http://tv.yahoo.com/show/33812/news/...tner__ER:46779

Somebody get the bitch a bridesmaid's dress already.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

O.K., I thought gays guys were supposed to be the drama queens: http://tv.yahoo.com/show/33812/news/...tner__ER:46779

Somebody get the bitch a bridesmaid's dress already.

I used to think Shatner was like a cheesier version of Hasselhoff but without the 'problems'.

Now I'm not so sure...

[Strangelet]

according to andrew sullivan, something like 77% of all campaign donations towards the proposition to ban same sex marriage via constitutional amendment in california is coming from the mormon church and its members.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...s-vs-civi.html

leaving the church just isn't satisfying enough.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

something like 77% of all campaign donations towards the proposition to ban same sex marriage via constitutional amendment in california is coming from the mormon church and its members.

I guess, in a sense, there's a certain reassurance that comes from that statistic.

But still.... frustrating for you, I know.

And just, like, completely bizarre. Do threats get any less threatening than a bunch of gays just wanting to get married? To judge some people's reactions, you'd think we were the second-biggest danger after terrorism.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Deckard

And just, like, completely bizarre. Do threats get any less threatening than a bunch of gays just wanting to get married? To judge some people's reactions, you'd think we were the second-biggest danger after terrorism.

Who people distrust and feel threatened by doesn't seem to be based on reason. We don't have to look any further than this opposition to same sex marriage, the widespread distrust of atheists, the hesitancy by many to support a black man for President, or worse yet, a Muslim black man! It's sad how ignorant, angry, and fearful so many people are.

I relly hope prop 8 fails.

[bryantm3]

you know, the way i see it, it's not the government's job to define what a marriage is— it's basically the job of the church. the church is where marriage comes from— it is defined in the bible, and it is a sacrament, and to cede that power from the churches violates the seperation of church and state. it would be like the government trying to define what constitutes a baptism, and trying to give hindus the right to baptize. even though they are baptized, they still aren't accepted by the church because they're hindus, so it's not a real baptism.

i, do, however, believe in civil unions, which means that they have every right a married couple does except it is not called marriage. they can file taxes jointly, they can visit each other in the hospital, they have spousal confidentiality in court, etc. unlike marriage, i believe this is a civil right that should be mandated all over the country. i just do not think that the government should force churches to recognize a civil union as a marriage.