Bungalow with Stairs album

[purlieu]

Originally Posted by funkboy3

Stuff.

Yes, this puts it far more eloquently than the silly argument BrotherLovesDub and I got into. I do think it's important to voice opinions and worries about the access of music they are offering to fans, especially somewhere that is read by the band and their associates. Maybe they'll read this and change things in the future, and I think that'll be worth all the bitching and baby crying and so on.

ThingInABook - I run a very tiny label and I've released records in far smaller runs than this was released in with large artwork booklets, sold them for £5 and made a profit, so I'm still not sure how justified the price is. Thanks for the description, Dirty0900, that does at least make it sound worth the money on some level. If I was a fan of Karl's art, I suppose the price might be a bit more sensible. I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.

[TheBang]

Originally Posted by purlieu

I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.

Rick was originally going to let Karl do his own thing for the exhibition, and not be involved, but Karl specifically asked Rick to put together this album from his ambient works for the exhibition.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by purlieu

I run a very tiny label and I've released records in far smaller runs than this was released in with large artwork booklets, sold them for £5 and made a profit, so I'm still not sure how justified the price is.

I remember, I bought one from you once. Good stuff! Proper CD, proper colour card sleeve, a fiver. great value. I'm not saying this album should be a fiver but i see your example as a valid point.

[Bargo]

For anyone interested, it's back on sale at the shop. (and I caved in and ended up purchasing it)

[negative1]

Originally Posted by purlieu

Dirty0900, that does at least make it sound worth the money on some level. If I was a fan of Karl's art, I suppose the price might be a bit more sensible. I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.

again, who is too decide whether every and all music that they
create will ever be released? and in what format?

just because it wasn't all recorded for the exhibition,
what difference does that make concerning it's status as
released for the exhbit only? [again i refer to earlier releases
like the anti-rom]

i'm sure there's a lot of licensing issues, and other things
involved with making a limited run of material available,
and the complexity of including and printing a book..

if you look back to the tokyo 3cd live concert, yeah it was too
bad that it only got released at that show... but maybe it was
a test run for the later series at liveherenow? and a few people
were fortunate enough to get extra copies from the band off ebay..

should they just never have released it?

anyways .. 'limited' is just that , a fixed amount made for a special
occasion.... i don't think this release, or dialogue should dissuade
them from doing further projects like this in the future...

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in the end, they really can't win..

1) release something online only -> people complain that there isn't a physical release
(see riverrun series, alll the latest singles from 'barking')

2) release something physical only -> people complain that it isn't available digitally
(see the BWS album+book, tokyo 3xcd, underworld video compilations)

3) release something in vinyl only -> people complain that it isn't digital format
(some of the riverun singles, although most have been converted over now)

4) release something limited -> people complain about the price, and how hard it
is to get it, and in what formats etc... (the barking limited editions w/extra cd)

so looking at all the different combinations of how they could release something,
to make people 'happy'..

it boils down to releasing everything digitally, on vinyl, cd, and at a cheap cost..
which i just don't see happening anytime..

by the way, i'm not sure what arrangements bjork/depeche mode/pet shop boys
have... but they have been putting out a ton of singles, box sets, and all kinds of
other fancy formats of all the above for the last couple of albums... i'm sure they
have a larger audience, so that's something to take into account too..and also, their
limited editions are not 'cheap' either...

later
-1

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Originally Posted by negative1

it boils down to releasing everything digitally, on vinyl, cd, and at a cheap cost..
which i just don't see happening anytime..

I don't see why not. I mean, you really only need one physical format but really, how hard can it be to put this online for download. They have an online shop in place, it's just a matter of ripping the CD. I mean I really cannot see how it could take more than a few hours.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

I don't see why not. I mean, you really only need one physical format but really, how hard can it be to put this online for download. They have an online shop in place, it's just a matter of ripping the CD. I mean I really cannot see how it could take more than a few hours.

if it really was that easy, don't you think they would have
done it already?

did you miss the part about licensing, distribution,
the artists intent, etc. etc..

i used to help out with the website for the band KMFDM,
and it took them awhile to get online tracks, the online store,
and a lot of other things done.. i remember it was difficult from
a legal/license viewpoint to do a lot of things.. (especially the
artwork part , because they had to deal with the artist BRUTE separately)..

just because it's easy to do, doesn't mean
it's easy TO GET DONE...

there's a lot more factors involved..

later
-1

[lowbit]

Originally Posted by negative1

if [putting BwS up for sale digitally] really was that easy, don't you think they would have done it already?

Once you have decent infrastructure set up to put one item up for sale digitally, it's trivial to add more. And licensing etc shouldn't be a problem either, since it's their work and their sales outlet. I don't know why they haven't done it already, but yeah, it really is that easy.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Originally Posted by negative1

if it really was that easy, don't you think they would have
done it already?

did you miss the part about licensing, distribution,
the artists intent, etc. etc..

i used to help out with the website for the band KMFDM,
and it took them awhile to get online tracks, the online store,
and a lot of other things done.. i remember it was difficult from
a legal/license viewpoint to do a lot of things.. (especially the
artwork part , because they had to deal with the artist BRUTE separately)..

just because it's easy to do, doesn't mean
it's easy TO GET DONE...

there's a lot more factors involved..

later
-1

I understand that, but what exactly would be holding up UW? Don't they own their own stuff? Once their website is set up why would it take more than a day (or, more realistically, an hour or two) to add new material?

[froopy seal]

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

I understand that, but what exactly would be holding up UW? Don't they own their own stuff? Once their website is set up why would it take more than a day (or, more realistically, an hour or two) to add new material?

Now, now. We wouldn't want this to go live without the copyright lawyers having a profound, reassuring (read: costly) look at it, would we?