iTunes question for anyone technically more able then moi

[patrick]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

Apple is just plain rotten.

their software sucks
their hardware sucks
their store clerks suck

that's not quite true... their hardware is almost always reviewed to be the best even for windows machines. the software is also the best and most stable that you can get. I use windows, mac and linux for work and am relieved when i get to use the mac. THe iphone software and hardware is just relieving too. cell phones other than the iphone are terrible.

anyways, i can't help about the itunes q...

[bas_I_am]

Originally Posted by patrick

that's not quite true... [blah blah blah]

My guess is you are not a developer. . . Yeah, there are alot of unstable apps on windows, but thats because there are alot of incompetent developers out there. The reason for this? It is easy (read 'cheap') for anyone to begin developing in a windows environment and it isnt long before a novice is in over his head with concepts that arise on any platform, i.e. multi-threading, resource contention, security, transactional processing, data integrity, deployment, versioning, etc. . . If Apple development were as ubiquitous, you would see just as much instability in the mac world. On the other hand, when you know what you are doing and you need to do something complex - for example, distributed systems based on SOA, you can't beat Microsoft. The .Net Framework is hands down the quickest and most flexible application framework available. It costs nothing to begin developing -the framework, documentation and walkthroughs are free. And You can deploy to any device with out involving Microsoft - UNLIKE APPLE.

Apple knows windows is best for distributed development. . . Want proof? You know that nifty device the morons in the apple store use to ring you up on the floor??? Windows CE running on Symbol hardware

IPhone sucks. . . looks pretty but its all fluff. Can't write your own progams for it with out spending tons of money or involving their [cr]App Store. Can't download music over the internet with out being in WiFi and then only via ITunes.

And the platform is gimped! You know whats fun. . . seeing some fool with his iPhone thinking he's all that, spinning and pinching his safari browser.

And then I inquire "can you do this?" . . . .

I pull out my Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. . .
Over cellular data connection, not WiFi, I open a Remote Desktop to my home computer.
I edit a Word document file ON MY HOME COMPUTER and save it.
I then use the phones file explorer and browse to my home computer via a UNC path and open, edit and save, the same document in Mobile Word.
Finally, I go back to the Remote Desktop and open the same file showing the edits I just made using my phone.

Yes its a trivial exercise, but it demonstrates the power of the platform. let me say it again, with emphasis. . . POWER!

IPod sucks. I will simply say that it is ridiculous that when I put things on the iPod it changes the file extracting the metadata to a proprietary database and replacing it with a pointer to said data in the database. What this means is that, in the event of a hard drive failure, to get MY MUSIC back on my hard drive I must install a third party application on my system to recreate the original file. What the fuck is that all about???

In short, Some do work on computers, Some make computers do work.
Windows does the latter better. And isn't that what computers are all about?

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

IPod sucks. I will simply say that it is ridiculous that when I put things on the iPod it changes the file extracting the metadata to a proprietary database and replacing it with a pointer to said data in the database. What this means is that, in the event of a hard drive failure, to get MY MUSIC back on my hard drive I must install a third party application on my system to recreate the original file. What the fuck is that all about???

Honestly I think that Apple is not really fond of the inability to transfer songs from the iPod to the computer either (just as they were famously not thrilled about the DRM restrictions they were forced to put on their iTunes downloads), but the 3rd party software is so easy to use that I don't really see the problem. I have to say the iPod is still the best MP3 player out there in my eyes - most storage, easiest to use, and most reliable. It's iTunes I was never thrilled about, they don't seem to test their upgrade much before they release them. I would probably never buy an Apple computer but I do think the iPods are top of the line.

[bas_I_am]

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

It's iTunes I was never thrilled about, they don't seem to test their upgrade much before they release them. I would probably never buy an Apple computer but I do think the iPods are top of the line.

Yea I was tired of writing a gripe, but now that you mention it...

iTunes craps all over your system, eats up clock cycles, and is a piece of shit when it comes to ease of use while managing your music.

WM player beats it hands down.

[viddy]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

iTunes craps all over your system, eats up clock cycles, and is a piece of shit when it comes to ease of use while managing your music.

WM player beats it hands down.

Oh my, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. I have nothing but trouble using Windows Media player, in basically the same way you described iTunes above.

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

My guess is you are not a developer. . . Yeah, there are alot of unstable apps on windows, but thats because there are alot of incompetent developers out there. The reason for this? It is easy (read 'cheap') for anyone to begin developing in a windows environment and it isnt long before a novice is in over his head with concepts that arise on any platform, i.e. multi-threading, resource contention, security, transactional processing, data integrity, deployment, versioning, etc. . . If Apple development were as ubiquitous, you would see just as much instability in the mac world. On the other hand, when you know what you are doing and you need to do something complex - for example, distributed systems based on SOA, you can't beat Microsoft. The .Net Framework is hands down the quickest and most flexible application framework available. It costs nothing to begin developing -the framework, documentation and walkthroughs are free. And You can deploy to any device with out involving Microsoft - UNLIKE APPLE.

Apple knows windows is best for distributed development. . . Want proof? You know that nifty device the morons in the apple store use to ring you up on the floor??? Windows CE running on Symbol hardware

IPhone sucks. . . looks pretty but its all fluff. Can't write your own progams for it with out spending tons of money or involving their [cr]App Store. Can't download music over the internet with out being in WiFi and then only via ITunes.

And the platform is gimped! You know whats fun. . . seeing some fool with his iPhone thinking he's all that, spinning and pinching his safari browser.

And then I inquire "can you do this?" . . . .

I pull out my Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. . .
Over cellular data connection, not WiFi, I open a Remote Desktop to my home computer.
I edit a Word document file ON MY HOME COMPUTER and save it.
I then use the phones file explorer and browse to my home computer via a UNC path and open, edit and save, the same document in Mobile Word.
Finally, I go back to the Remote Desktop and open the same file showing the edits I just made using my phone.

Yes its a trivial exercise, but it demonstrates the power of the platform. let me say it again, with emphasis. . . POWER!

IPod sucks. I will simply say that it is ridiculous that when I put things on the iPod it changes the file extracting the metadata to a proprietary database and replacing it with a pointer to said data in the database. What this means is that, in the event of a hard drive failure, to get MY MUSIC back on my hard drive I must install a third party application on my system to recreate the original file. What the fuck is that all about???

In short, Some do work on computers, Some make computers do work.
Windows does the latter better. And isn't that what computers are all about?

Hey bas, if there's one thing more tedious than putting up with the rantings of Mac fanboys, it's the even more frenzied rantings of Mac anti-fanboys.

Anyways... enough already, we already have Israel/Palestine bubbling away. The last thing we need right now is a simulataneous Mac/PC thread. (Won't aaaanyone consider the server?)

[patrick]

Originally Posted by bas_I_am

My guess is you are not a developer. . . (bitch)(bitch)(bitch)

Wrong. I am a developer, but luckily I don't have to develop much for Windows. Only linux and Mac. And it is a pleasure to develop on those platforms compared to Windows. I can't stand anything to do with windows.


Regardless, I disagree with most of your points, but that is okay, as people with different opinions are what make the world such a wonderful place to be sometimes (and awful others i suppose... ie Gaza).

Anyways, if you didn't have iTunes, you wouldn't know how much better WMP is! (HA!)

[sanblaster]

All I have to say is I'm happy for Dirty0900 he got his files back and also that despite the bitter overtones and blatant vehemence of bas_I_am I agree with all he said. I can't for the life of me imagine why iTunes would run so great on a Mac and so awfully on a PC (Bonjour!). It's great for organizing your music plus running some batch volume-equalizing, ie. But it's not worth having it on my system anymore. Winamp will do the same much more efficiently.

He also hit right in the nail about why a lot of PC apps hang/crash/are not efficient. 95% of the times it'll be poor design lead by the developer's ignorance, linked with the fact that it's so easy (cheap) to write programs for Windows. That doesn't happen in Macs, but then again you only have to take a look at sites such as softonic.com to realise the difference when it comes to handy little freeware apps offer for both platforms.

I've noticed what the ipod makes to the files on it too, ie splitting them in several chunks and giving them coded names.... This said, I don't think any mp3 player beats it and I'm very happy with mine (Although I've stopped using it since I got a slick Sony Eriksson w880i).

[Deckard]

Yeah, the Sony's are top notch for sound quality.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Originally Posted by Deckard

Yeah, the Sony's are top notch for sound quality.

I don't think the sound quality is determined by the MP3 player...rather the MP3 itself...