is there anyone else who is pro-life AND pro-gay rights, or is it just me?

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Originally Posted by bryantm3

i i believe that a child is a seperate being at conception, and is undoubtedly a seperate life by 22 days when its own heartbeat begins.

i think every life should be treated as equal under the law, including the life of the unborn child.

interesting. every life. you know, there are fish out there with more consciousness and intelligence than a 22 day old foetus (so shouldnt everyone should be vegan?)

Fish have great memories and they feel pain and yet we leave them out to suffocate, cut their gills and let them bleed to death without a thought. They surely have a much more developed brain (if a foetus indeed has a brain at 22 days). Surely if every life should be treated as equal under the law then killing fully developed adult fish, (sometimes fish that don't reach maturity until the age of 25) is a much worse thing than "killing" something 22 days old that isnt fully formed?

Oh here's some reading from New Scientist and the Royal Society in case you doubt me:
http://www.fishinghurts.com/pdfs/ani...wscientist.pdf
http://royalsociety.org/news.asp?year=&id=1697
..and the fish that reaches maturity at 25 is the Patagonian Toothfish, which is sold in the USA as a Chilean Seabass and has now been overfished almost to extinction.

No, i'm not a vegan I don't agree with abortion after a certain number of weeks because that would be killing a baby that is capable of living outside of its mothers womb. Viability I believe, so anything after 22-24 weeks is out of the question. Until that point, the mother has the choice of what to do with her body although if she is going to choose abortion, then the earlier the better for her health. And I think the majority of abortions at 22 weeks are for extreme medical reasons where the welfare of the mother is in danger, and not someone who hasnt realised she's pregnant and doesnt want the baby. Most of those pregnancies are terminated within a few weeks, and I don't see why a woman should be forced by law to carry a baby to term and then bring an unwanted baby into the world. Surely the world is already suffering from overpopulation.