is there anyone else who is pro-life AND pro-gay rights, or is it just me?

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by stimpee

Bryantm3: youre saying that travelling out of state should be enough of a deterrent / lesson learned. But what if the whole of the USA bans abortion? Until youre in a relationship where your girlfriend/wife accidentally gets pregnant (believe me it can happen, pills and condoms arent 100%) or the baby has been scanned and is so mentally/physcially deformed, or is likely to cause problems that it will be still born, I dont see how you can judge the situation. Do you want to ban the morning-after pill also? how about contraception? Would you like no-sex-before-marriage to become law? Should people only have sex to pro-create? Where do you draw the line? Just how much freedom and civil liberty do you restrict in order to impose "moral values"? Moral values which usually have been written in religious scripts dating back centuries. Times change but religious beliefs dont, it seems.

stimpee, first of all, not every state is going to ban abortion. california? florida? new york? hell, even virginia and iowa would probably not ban abortion. get real. secondly, you're taking this way too far with your slippery slope argument. i previously stated that sex before marriage happens and it shouldn't be judged. it's not a great idea, but let's be realistic. why would i ban contraception when it prevents pregnancies in the first place?

the reason i want to allow individual states to ban abortion is because the child that has been conceived has the same rights as the mother does to live, and those that are so strongly pro-choice seem to either ignore this part of the argument or don't care. why does an unborn child not hold certain rights if he or she is alive? what is the difference between aborting a child out of convenience and 'aborting' a newborn child that you don't think you have the responsibility to take care of? my point is not to legislate 'morality', my point is to protect the rights of an unborn child to live because he or she cannot stand up for themselves. i would stand up for the rights of the mother and father to make choices if condoms were proposed to be banned, or if some of your other situations became true. i oppose abortion because one conception occurs, there is a third person involved and it seems that no one wants to respect the inalienable rights of that person.

Incidently, which church are you a member of?

I'm Episcopalian.