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[kagenaki koe]

Originally Posted by Sarcasmo

Chuck, let's just call it what it is: A farce. If Americans fall for this one...we fucking deserve what we get. Even if that means John McCain dies of a stroke and we wind up with a petty, ruler-of-bumfuck-nowhere, former-almost-beauty-queen running this place.

i was having a long debate with my friend last night. and he basically believes that Obama will have a hard time beating McCain AND that the Palin pick was a smart move since it will win him women's votes.

so yeah, there are people that WILL fall for this one (even as i point out facts and logic, they just respond back with "oh you're just listening to a lot of media bias...")

[cacophony]

i wonder how independent the independent vote really is. we're all speculating about whether this selection will really win or lose voters but i'm not sure it makes a huge difference in the end. it seems like most people tend to lean one way or another, and ultimately once people are in the booth i'm not sure they really stray from their initial gut reaction.

think about how low bush's approval rating was in the last election. but when it really came down to it people started saying, "eh, i don't know if we should change horses mid-stream." it wasn't so much the issues or the record of performance.

in the end i think the extreme right-wingers were never really a risk. and for obama the clinton backers were never really a risk. come election day people are going to root for their team the way they always do. i don't think palin is going to make or break this campaign because ultimately the majority of people aren't going to cross party lines once they're sealed in the voting booth. it's going to be, "this isn't my first choice but it's better than voting for that other guy."

[dubman]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i wonder how independent the independent vote really is. we're all speculating about whether this selection will really win or lose voters but i'm not sure it makes a huge difference in the end. it seems like most people tend to lean one way or another, and ultimately once people are in the booth i'm not sure they really stray from their initial gut reaction.

think about how low bush's approval rating was in the last election. but when it really came down to it people started saying, "eh, i don't know if we should change horses mid-stream." it wasn't so much the issues or the record of performance.

in the end i think the extreme right-wingers were never really a risk. and for obama the clinton backers were never really a risk. come election day people are going to root for their team the way they always do. i don't think palin is going to make or break this campaign because ultimately the majority of people aren't going to cross party lines once they're sealed in the voting booth. it's going to be, "this isn't my first choice but it's better than voting for that other guy."

i agree, like, 7000% with his post. people are already basically in their slots by now, though i get the impression it took much longer than usual. still, things are set, and the only danger with this is that mccain might have actually pissed a few people off with this stunt. but the only thing swinging anyone at this point are the major embarassments that managers point out to days, months, or several years after the election and say "thats what started to/finally/outright killed it." losing candidates commonly have that moment where they reach a certain pinnacle of goofiness and do something that makes the well-maybe-i-would vote swing towards their base instinct.
if this happens to obama we might see it in the debates. if mccain loses (something i still think is an 80% certainty) it will be the palin pick.

[stimpee]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i wonder how independent the independent vote really is. we're all speculating about whether this selection will really win or lose voters but i'm not sure it makes a huge difference in the end. it seems like most people tend to lean one way or another, and ultimately once people are in the booth i'm not sure they really stray from their initial gut reaction.

Speaking as a registered independent, I can say that Palin's extreme positions are extremely off-putting. For instance, I recognize the value of teaching abstinence, but not at the exclusion of sex education. And I have mixed feelings on the right to bear arms in that there are realistic reasons to need a gun for people living in certain areas of the country, but I'm not pleased to see video of Palin enjoying machine gun target practice. So I tend to think that McCain's behavior as of late (and VP choice) will be concerning to many center-leaning independents, and that he's probably driving many of them to Obama's camp.

[cacophony]

but honestly, haven't you been leaning more towards obama than mccain this whole time?

[cured]

A news piece on Palin that deals with a lot of the issues surrounding her:

[kagenaki koe]

you know what i think would be icing on the cake? Bristol's babydaddy changes his mind and leaves. now that would be some drama!

[cured]

Palin's message to the Alaskan Independence Party

[Deckard]

Palin in a talk to the church congregation on the Iraq War:

"[Pray] for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God....That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


Palin, in supporting a $30 billion Alaskan national gas pipeline project:

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that."


Exactly the kind of "thinking" the world could do without right now.