Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

I'm with you, I can wait.
Getting the leaked version ruins the event for me.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

this quote is a beauty, i'm speechless! and that's how it's done nowadays..

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

You've said this before, and no one's doubting you're a fan who will support the band by paying. But this argument is weak. It would be like saying, i have a shopping cart full of food i'm buying, so i'm entitled to an extra bag of chips. I don't care if you bought 50 copies of the album. Did you pay for the one you downloaded? UW get no money from all the leaked copies. My suggestion is you pay then again for this copy.

I'll agree with you that enjoyment of a new release is an individual matter, so i'm glad you are thrilled with going about it your way, and maybe that's the way many people do it in this digital age of hurry up and gimme now. I for one like a tangible product and the expectation of waiting for when something's set to be released. To each their own. But the almost- immediate gratification of downloading the leak and then talking about all elements does, in my opinion, lessen the enjoyment for those who waited. Not saying that every thread here needs a spoiler alert, and it's great to see the buzz OWB is generating. But collective (and many individual) opinions of the album have been formed before i even got a chance to listen to it. For me, that's like waiting for Christmas morning and two weeks beforehand, someone tells you what's in the packages.

By the way, feeling entitled to something for free because you've purchased so much other stuff ior are a fan is also being holier than thou. The rules apparently don't apply to everyone.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

I have two things to say.

First, amen, to BLD.

Secondly, this is my right under the fair use provisions of U.S. copyright law, specifically the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

I guess I had one more thing to say. I do generally agree with this sentiment. But that's neither here nor there for me, regarding downloading this album. From a moralist perspective, I feel fine (not necessarily entitled) with downloading this album, because I've already paid for it.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

Fair Use, in my opinion. i've got a digital copy, degraded in quality from the original. i feel entitled to make copies of the items i purchase and i feel entitled to download without paying for lossy file formats. i'm getting digital files, they are absolutely worthless to me. i wouldn't pay for them unless that was the only format offered like the River Runs, which i paid for.

you're buying into the RIAA/MPAA's argument hook, line and sinker. the rules you say don't apply to everyone have been twisted by money hungry corprate conglomerates. i'm not interested in following their rules.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

[quote=BrotherLovesDub]Fair Use, in my opinion. i've got a digital copy, degraded in quality from the original. i feel entitled to make copies of the items i purchase and i feel entitled to download without paying for lossy file formats. i'm getting digital files, they are absolutely worthless to me. i wouldn't pay for them unless that was the only format offered like the River Runs, which i paid for.
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bld, i also agree about the downloads,

but (i'm sure) you can download the full version (lossless FLACS/WAVS)from some sites. is that against the copyright rules?

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Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

i've paid for the product already, as echospin charges the card as you ordered.
so i paid, my money is gone, and i have no physical product.
if we wanted to do this circus that holden's trying to hold up in the face of BLD's staggeringly good post, then we could say that i'm entitled to downloading it.

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

Well, there hasn't really been any case law established for situations like this ("I downloaded it, but I already own it"). My personal feeling is that even perfect copies (like FLAC) are fine, so long as you own it, have already ordered it, or will be purchasing it "soon".

Re: Do you feel guilty about downloading OwB?
 

I'm not going to convince anyone that has already downloaded it that they shouldn't have. And i doubt anyone feels guilty anyway. In fact, "yes i feel guilty" was not even an option in the poll.
I'm not falling for any circus act or recording company spin. i've downloaded plenty in the past and have felt guilty about it. To my moral code it was stealing. If it's fine by you, consider it free use, getting an inferior product, however you justify it, go for it, i surrender. But don't insult me for my views.