parah salin?

[Deckard]

Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/palin-claimed-dinosaurs-a_n_130012.html)

Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.

Scary scary scary. I hope someone has the guts to grill her on TV about it.

I firmly believe that her 'faith position' should be no more off limits than her beliefs on tax policy or abortion. The electorate are absolutely entitled to judge her on something like this.

[Sean]

Please elaborate.

(I can hear you wit coming. Seriously elaborate.)Not sure why I should go to th etrouble of elaborating for you, but I will just for the hell of it. The support for the McCain/Palin ticket has me completely disheartened. How can people truly support a candidate who wants to continue clearly failed policies, has run the dirtiest campaign I think I've ever seen, and selected a VP candidate who's dangerously unqualified?

[chuck]

See. I'm not as worried about the stories that other people are saying.

It's the shit these two are saying themselves.

Even together - they stink.

McCain runs interference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RywhPtebuM)

"gotcha" journalism - wtf are they talking about.

These are serious times - serious issues - and serious questions need to be asked. Palin and McCain sound like Fox News hosts - instead of individuals who are actually offering up some solutions and/or ideas.

We're starting to trip over that bar of standards if this is how pathetic they're going to be.

[bas_I_am]

palin side by side with snl (olbermann)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmC-UlAQtU

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Not sure why I should go to th etrouble of elaborating for you, but I will just for the hell of it. The support for the McCain/Palin ticket has me completely disheartened. How can people truly support a candidate who wants to continue clearly failed policies, has run the dirtiest campaign I think I've ever seen, and selected a VP candidate who's dangerously unqualified?

Knew the attitude'd come out, mwrhrarrr(sp?).

You sound like me last election. uh-oh.

[Deckard]

So back to Palin - what stunt are we expecting from McCain in the next 24-48 hours in order to "manage the news" post-Palin debate?

Could he suspend his campaign a second time?

[cacophony]

they've established the phrase "gotcha journalism" so they'll be exploiting that and running it into the ground post-debate. any tough questions will be "gotchas" and anything biden lobs at her will be "gotchas."

[Sean]

McCain's campaign has also been stressing how low the bar of expectation has been set for Palin by the "liberal elite media" so that now, if she shows she can do slightly better than a functionally retarded person, she'll have done a "super" job. I don't mean to be non-pc with that statement, but it's really the clearest way to make the point.

They'll also surely pounce on this story (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/01/oh-oh-6/) about how Thursday's VP debate moderator is scheduled to release a book about the rise of blacks in today's political world (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645) - a book with a pro-Obama slant to it.

And here's a little of what to expect from Palin tomorrow (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122281636354892281.html), too.

[Deckard]

Former State legislator Andrew Halcro, 44, who took part in a handful of debates with Palin during Alaska's 2006 gubernatorial race:
"The one thing I found during the [2006] debates was no matter how knowledgeable her opponents were on the issues, it didn't matter. She has an amazing ability to turn a 45 second answer into a folksy story... she's never been forced to know the issues."

Oh dear.

Been here before, haven't we? :rolleyes:

[gambit]

They were prepping her with mock debates at one of McCain's 11 houses, and she reportedly failed in those. I don't think she's going to get away with folksy stories about national issues.

[Sean]

They were prepping her with mock debates at one of McCain's 11 houses, and she reportedly failed in those. I don't think she's going to get away with folksy stories about national issues.Do you have a link to a news story about her failing in the mock debates? I'm interested to hear more.

[Deckard]

Who's up for following it live tomorrow night then?

I can have a late start Friday AM so I'll probably be here. ;)

[BeautifulBurnout]

Who's up for following it live tomorrow night then?

I can have a late start Friday AM so I'll probably be here. ;)

What time is it on? I have school on Friday.....

[Deckard]

In the UK, 2am BST.

[gambit]

Do you have a link to a news story about her failing in the mock debates? I'm interested to hear more.Um, I saw it on Countdown last night. I tried looking for the article referenced in the report, but I couldn't find it.

[Troy McClure]

The Huffington Post put the picture I saw on Countdown with Gov. Palin practicing for the debate:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-10-01-2903921607_1154fbcacb.jpg

If the lecture stand used in St. Louis is this size, it will make Palin look so short.


This might be the Wall Street Journal article Olbermann referenced:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122265784614384667.html


Jason

[Sean]

Um, I saw it on Countdown last night. I tried looking for the article referenced in the report, but I couldn't find it.Thanks for looking anyway. Interesting point nonetheless.

Aside from that, I have a question that's related to the issue of sexism - a topic that I feel I've been extremely successful discussing here in the World forum. ;):D So my question is this:

So far, Palin has only had a few interviews, all of which she's tripped up horribly in, and plenty of folks on the conservative side of things continue to claim that the questions being asked were unfair and/or motivated by sexism. Questions like "can you name a supreme court decision you disagree with?", or "do you agree with the Bush doctrine?". Meanwhile, in preparation for the debate tonight, a lot of pressure is being put on Biden to be careful not to come off as too critical or tough on her, otherwise conservatives will go off on him for being mean to the female VP candidate, and therefore sexist. So I'm wondering if I'm alone in thinking that this pressure on Biden to be extra gentle and nice to Palin in tonight's debate is far more of a sexist demand than any policy question she's been asked has ever been? I mean really...if Palin is ready to be President, shouldn't she be able to handle the same level of intensity we expect our male politicians to be able to handle? And yet I can't imagine you'll hear a conservative outcry about how sexist it is that they expect Biden to take it easy on her simply because she's a woman...

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

...So I'm wondering if I'm alone in thinking that this pressure on Biden to be extra gentle and nice to Palin in tonight's debate is far more of a sexist demand than any policy question she's been asked has ever been? I mean really...if Palin is ready to be President, shouldn't she be able to handle the same level of intensity we expect our male politicians to be able to handle? And yet I can't imagine you'll hear a conservative outcry about how sexist it is that they expect Biden to take it easy on her simply because she's a woman...

I've thought this myself. Biden is a boy who was raised to be a gentleman to women, and, as said before, doesn't sugarcoat issues for the boys. I trust him in the gentlemanly trash-talk(damn I want to say shit-talk so bad here, but Ohpra doesn't approve) area.

[chuck]

I expect Biden to hit her hard on policy expectations and decisions made. It's a tough job, you've got expect tough questions. And be able to respond about policy - not bullet points.

The problem for the Democrats will be if Biden comes across as condescending. The GOP will leap on that.

I don't agree with it - because Palin comes across as not only condescending but arrogant in the extreme when she disagrees with others. The Couric interview showed that. But those voters who listen to soundbites will take that.

For me - Obama was far more measured and "presidential" in his debate manner. For others it wasn't agressive enough.

I really agree with Joe Klein's commentary: Anger vs Steadiness (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1846401,00.html).

Part of Obama's steadiness is born of necessity: An angry, or flashy, black man isn't going to be elected President. But I've also gotten the sense, in the times I've interviewed and chatted with him, that calm is Obama's natural default position. He is friendly, informal, accessible ... and a mystery, hard to get to know. He doesn't give away much, doesn't — unlike Bill Clinton — have that desperate need to make you like him. His brilliant, at times excessive, oratory is an outlier — the only over-the-top, Technicolor quality he has. There has been no grand cathartic moment for him in this campaign, but rather a steady accretion of trust, a growing public sense that he knows what he's talking about and isn't going to get crazy on us. His demeanor has rendered foolish all the rumors about his alleged radicalism. This guy is the furthest thing imaginable from an extremist; McCain, by his own admission, is the bomb-thrower in this race.

Obama's performance in the first debate was Exhibit A. My first reaction was that Obama didn't make any mistakes, but he allowed McCain to attack him relentlessly without making an effective counterattack. I saw it as a toss-up, not a momentum changer; the public, however, saw it as a clear-cut Obama win. In retrospect, there were two reasons for this. The first became clear when I read the transcript: Obama was far more forceful on the page than he was on the screen. He just lambasted McCain quietly.

A key moment was the Iraq question: McCain was very strong here, slamming Obama for not supporting the surge. But Obama's litany of things McCain had gotten wrong ("You said that we were going to be greeted as liberators ...") was devastating. And his bottom line — that the war in Iraq had been a diversion from the real fight against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan — made far more sense.

Obama's other great advantage was visual. He seemed, literally and figuratively, the bigger man. McCain's problem wasn't so much that he never looked at Obama; it was that he never looked at the camera. He seemed pinched, evasive, uncomfortable. Obama, by contrast, looked at both McCain and the camera. He addressed the public directly, seemed utterly confident and unflappable throughout.


Biden has to be that - present himself as someone who's ready to take on that role and the responsibilities inherent in it - literally, the one to step into the presidential seat. Unfortunately Biden has a habit of shooting his mouth off and getting cocky. That will sink him. Not because it'll be condescending to Palin or an opening for the Republicans, but because it belittles the position he's applying for.

Sean - I don't know if that answers your question. I think the GOP at this point are grasping for any lifelines they can get a hold of to keep their campaign afloat. The sexist line is one of them.

[BeautifulBurnout]

You are spot on, Sean. It is sexist in itself to say "oh, be nice to her cos she is a woman". The sexists are not the ones treating her normally, like they would treat any other candidate. They are the ones calling for special treatment of her because she is a nice hockey mom who can't be expected to know anything about the world outside of Wasilla because, you know, she is a woman and a mom and she has done great things.

FFS. I find the latter totally offensive to women.

I studied for my degree and the Bar while working, being a mom (although not a hockey one - maybe that is where I went wrong? ;) ) and a wife, and all the stuff that entails. Never once did I ask my profs for special treatment because of that. And the day I turn up in court late and dishevelled because I had a tough time getting my son out of bed and off to school in the morning and dare to ask the judge to excuse me of it is the day the judge is likely to ask me if I am cut out for the job because everyone else manages to get to his court on time. Nobody cuts me any slack, and I wouldn't expect them to either.

Equally, with all of the above, if I were too dumb to do my job I would get very short shrift too and be openly mocked by judge and opponent alike. You can't expect the glass ceiling to crack itself just because you are the one standing underneath it.

Now for a sexist joke from me.... for women to succeed in life, they have to be twice as good as men. Fortunately, this is not too difficult. ;)

[dubman]

well yeah...

i mean, i think the most fair thing for biden to do is, if palin keeps staying this course of stellar dialogue, to castigate the everlasting tundra out of her. i'm dreading biden doing the common sense thing because i'm not sure that people have a good grasp on what sexism is, so they might actually think it's credible for conservatives to queue the umbrage and let fly the last thing they should be accusing anybody of. i think it's tremendously sexist to be dicey to a woman in politics, and generally disrespectful to everyone involved to treat a VP candidate with kid gloves, but the political shots that play to people's i-dont-know-so-i-guess-they-know faction deem it kinda necessary to play it a certain way.
my best case scenario, where biden keeps it steady and knowledgeable and palin trips on her own sword, is what could feasibly happen, the real best case scenario is that she keeps rattling her nonsense, biden schools her 10 different ways and makes it painfully obvious how inept she is, and everyone says well played and this ticket finally becomes poison for everyone.

[Sean]

Troopergate pushes on despite McCain and Palin's best efforts (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93IU1000). Here are a couple excerpts:

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — An investigator hired by Alaskan lawmakers to probe abuse-of-power allegations against Gov. Sarah Palin was free to finish his work by a deadline set for a week from Friday after a state judge dismissed a lawsuit seeking to block the probe.

and...

At first, Palin agreed to cooperate with the probe, but since being picked Aug. 29 to be Sen. John McCain's running mate, she, her family and staff have instead said the legislative investigation has been compromised by politics and that they would cooperate only with a separate investigation run by the Alaska State Personnel Board, whose members Palin can fire.

[kagenaki koe]

yes, it doesn't get any less retarded:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/palin-on-fox-news-couric_n_131655.html

she was annoyed by Kouric's questions. you know what sarah, your ANSWERS are annoying.

[kagenaki koe]

a bit of awesomeness (need to scroll down about halfway thru):

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274874.php

a NOW representative introduces her:
"America, this is what a feminist looks like -- Sarah Palin."

and Palin then says : "There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women."

[cacophony]

and Palin then says : "There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women."
when the rest of us use that expression, we mean it as just that. an expression. sarah palin literally believes that there is a hell and there is a special room where the red, horned, hoofed devil keeps the women who don't support women.

[Deckard]

..there is a hell and there is a special room where the red, horned, hoofed devil keeps the women who don't support women.
We're talking Bill Clinton here, right?

(You betcha! *wink* ;) )

[BeautifulBurnout]

Anyone notice the change of look recently?

Gone the school-ma'am bun - now it is the Hairdresser Barbie look...

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/05/palin.obama.terrorist.claim/index.html *







*Obama, hint, hint: Milking the beast.

[Deckard]

For anyone who's not yet seen it: more Tina Fey fun, this time in the VP debate (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html) :D

(Is it mostly liberals/Dems who watch SNL then?)

[gambit]

It's mostly liberals/Dems who write SNL maybe, but SNL is watched by a lot of different people.

I also liked the guy who did the Biden impersonation. He was very funny as well. :D

[Deckard]

Good. I hope it's not just preaching to the converted.

Yeah, I liked the Biden guy too. I liked that it wasn't just me that picked up on Biden's "I believe in complete and absolute equality between gays and heterosexuals" followed by "no" to gay marriage! And that whole "I respect and love John McCain more than anything.... but I have to say, what a SCUMBAG!" :D

[Deckard]

Another good one from 23/6...

The VP debate in 1 minute (http://www.236.com/video/2008/watch_vp_debate_in_a_minute_9334.php)

The Obama camp should just put this out as an ad. :cool:

[kagenaki koe]

a nice folksy song about sarah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o&eurl=http://raford.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/hey-sarah-palin/

and an article on Sarah Palin and The new White Ebonics:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/sarah-palin-and-the-new-w_b_132199.html

[chuck]

a bit of awesomeness (need to scroll down about halfway thru):

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274874.php

a NOW representative introduces her:
"America, this is what a feminist looks like -- Sarah Palin."

and Palin then says : "There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women."

But she can't even get that right - it's a misquote from Albright (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/palin-misquotes-albright_n_131967.html). The woman can't even read properly.

"Actually, Albright didn't say that. The accurate quote is, "There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't help other women." (Sources made the same point (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/04/politics/fromtheroad/entry4501842.shtml) to CBS's Scott Conroy.)


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/41989/original.jpg


Palin seemed to realize that the line could be viewed as grating. As the audience cheered, she remarked: "Okay, now, thank you so much for receiving that well. I didn't know how that was gonna go over. And now, California, let's see what a comment like I just made, how that is turned into whatever it'll be turned into tomorrow with the newspaper."


Albright responded to Palin's remarks in a statement to the Huffington Post on Sunday. "Though I am flattered that Governor Palin has chosen to cite me as a source of wisdom, what I said had nothing to do with politics. This is yet another example of McCain and Palin distorting the truth, and all the more reason to remember that this campaign is not about gender, it is about which candidate has an agenda that will improve the lives of all Americans, including women. The truth is, if you care about the status of women in our society and in our troubled economy, the best choice by far is Obama-Biden."


AND FOR FUCK'S SAKE - WHAT KIND OF INBRED FUCKSTICK USES QUOTES FROM A RECYCLED PAPER CUP FULL OF SHIT COFFEE TO INSPIRE A NATION.


Yes - I am shouting. This is getting scary stupid now - Palin and McCain's comments of late reek of desperation - and present company excluded I'm afraid it's going to work.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Yes - I am shouting. This is getting scary stupid now - Palin and McCain's comments of late reek of desperation - and present company excluded I'm afraid it's going to work.


Not if we have people spreading the actual truth as you've just done.

[chuck]

Not if we have people spreading the actual truth as you've just done.

Cheers John.

Bear with me on this analogy - but reading that line, I had this image of the work I'm doing on my garden - reseeding, fertilizing the lawn, mulching the flower beds. All that takes time, and hard work, and it's often invisible - but the results are beautiful.

The opposite would be to just dump a truckload of manure on it - spray and spread it all over the place - stink up the joint and leave it be. The results would be mostly dead and sticky.

The best truth is specific and hard work - and you've got to keep digging for it - and believe in the beauty of the end result. It may not be as dramatic as just flinging shit everywhere - but it's better in the long run.

I think somewhere in there is an analogy for the two parties at war in this election. At least I've tried to make one.

I need coffee. :)

[Deckard]

Well said that man.

[gambit]

Waitwaitwaitwait! She was drinking coffee from Starbucks? Isn't that elitist?

[cacophony]

i can't remember if this has been posted here yet.

sarah's doodles (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/06/sarah-s-doodles.aspx)

[nosajmunson]

i can't remember if this has been posted here yet.

sarah's doodles (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/06/sarah-s-doodles.aspx)

I am surprised she could write all of that herself.

http://www.tnr.com/OnlineScan.pdf

[Sean]

I am surprised she could write all of that herself.

http://www.tnr.com/OnlineScan.pdf
Thanks for the close-up scan. I want to read every word....

[Sean]

I'm starting to feel legitimately frightened by the mob mentality that McCain and Palin are coaxing out of their base. This Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html) focuses on some truly disturbing recent events, some of which have already been discussed here, and others that were completely new to me, like this:

Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

And the shouts of "terrorist", "treason", "kill him", and whatever else has been shouted out at McCain and Palin events have actually started to be investigated by the Secret Service (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html).

Isn't inciting violence illegal?

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

The opposite would be to just dump a truckload of manure on it - spray and spread it all over the place - stink up the joint and leave it be. The results would be mostly dead and sticky.


I need coffee. :)

Is that a polite way of telling me to shut up?

Drinking a Vanilla Nut Roast myself and I do mean just a type of coffee.

[gambit]

Isn't inciting violence illegal?You think the Republicans will care about a little thing like the law to prevent terrorists from killing us all?

[chuck]

Is that a polite way of telling me to shut up?


heh - no. not at all. my analogy was brought on by your original comment. so consider it a compliment. was just thinking about the ways and means by which truth and "truth" are spread.

as you were. :)

[kagenaki koe]

i guess i'll post these pics here:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/deedb560.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9308/dicaprionw4.jpg

[Sean]

I'm still kind of expecting the verdict on "Troopergate" to be pushed, but as of now, they're still saying it'll be done tomorrow. The NY Times has an interesting article with new details about it all here (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin):

...an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Mr. Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

In all, the commissioner and his aides were contacted about Mr. Wooten three dozen times over 19 months by the governor, her husband and seven administration officials, interviews and documents show.

and

Immediately after Mr. Monegan’s firing, Ms. Palin said her intent was to change the department’s direction. (She declined to be interviewed for this article.) She has since offered a variety of explanations for his ouster, most recently accusing him of insubordination and opposing her fiscal reforms.

and

Mr. Palin declined to be interviewed. But in a sworn affidavit this week for the legislative investigation, he wrote that he had hundreds of communications about the trooper “with my family, with friends, with colleagues and with just about everyone I could, including government officials.” He added, “In fact, I talked about Wooten so much over the years that my wife told me to stop talking about it with her.”

God I hope they find her guilty of abusing her authority.....

[Sean]

The troopergate investigative report is being delivered (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/alaska-lawmakers-meet-to-receive-trooper-probe-report/) as I write this:

The bipartisan Legislative Council went into executive session to discuss the report from former Anchorage Prosecutor Stephen Branchflower. A portion of the report is scheduled to be made public after the executive session, said Sen. Kim Elton, the Legislative Council's chairman.



Although, according to the McCain campaign, everything's fine (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NBVS00)!

Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

By MATT APUZZO – 16 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.


Are these people for real? :confused::eek:

[Deckard]

God I hope they find her guilty of abusing her authority.....
Haha, I just love the way the depth of your antipathy came across there. :D

I'm the same, mind. I want to see her led away in handcuffs, with McCain sobbing in the background.

Malicious aren't we?! ;)

[Sean]

Super new(ish) songs about Palin

Hey Sarah Palin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o)

Her Stupidity Flows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQdCHDuags)

Brilliant. :D

[//\/\/]

The troopergate investigative report is being delivered (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/alaska-lawmakers-meet-to-receive-trooper-probe-report/) as I write this:

The bipartisan Legislative Council went into executive session to discuss the report from former Anchorage Prosecutor Stephen Branchflower. A portion of the report is scheduled to be made public after the executive session, said Sen. Kim Elton, the Legislative Council's chairman.



Although, according to the McCain campaign, everything's fine (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NBVS00)!

Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

By MATT APUZZO – 16 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.


Are these people for real? :confused::eek:

that was pretty shocking, i have to say...

[BeautifulBurnout]

Thank you Deckard for introducing me to The Daily Mash :D

Obama Means to Make You His Beeatch, Palin Tells White Women (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/obama-means-to-make-you-his-beeatch%2c-palin-tells-white-women-200810061302/)

Palin also accused Obama of once being in the same room as a man who had watched the first half of the dangerously bad domestic terror movie Arlington Road.

[Deckard]

You're welcome ;)

More baying for blood (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/palin-rally-kill-him-yell_n_134597.html) on the Palin campaign trail.

It would only take a bit more for it to turn into the kind of angry mob from those Universal horror films of the 30s.

GET HIM!!!!!!!

http://i38.tinypic.com/1zf0l09.jpg

Couple more:

Bush Strategist: McCain Knows He Put Country At Risk With Palin Pick (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/bush-strategist-mccain-kn_n_134570.html)

Parker: White House Officials Agree That Palin Should Be Off GOP Ticket (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/14/parker-palin-white-house/)

Yes I know - I'm being unashamedly partisan in my article resources here.

[BeautifulBurnout]

I shouldn't giggle, but one of the commenters on that last link refers to Palin as "Bible Spice"!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha :D

[Sean]

I shouldn't giggle, but one of the commenters on that last link refers to Palin as "Bible Spice"!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha :DI thought "Darth Cheney" was pretty funny, too.

[Camiel]

LOL:

www.palinaspresident.com (http://www.palinaspresident.com)

Use the cursor to click on several hidden gems.

[Mort]

This made me laugh

MILP: "A Mother I'd Like To Punch".

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/poison-at-the-heart-of-establishment-feminism/2008/10/15/1223750125257.html

[testudo]

http://i37.tinypic.com/141txr6.jpg

[kagenaki koe]

it costs $150,000 to dress a maverick:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

[BeautifulBurnout]

You'd think on her Governor's salary she could afford her own clothing budget - although I guess Parkas don't go down too well on CNN. ;)

[kagenaki koe]

plus it costs 13 grand to look like a hockey mom:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/palins-makeup-artist-even_n_136858.html

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

This arguement is kind of getting on my nerves.

It's not Palin's fault she's been assigned all these American Idol(apparantly, some leading Republican suppporters referred to the run for Presidency as the same kind of popularity contest) personal assistants dressing her. And, I mean, c'mon what woman wouldn't dig this? Am I being sexist?

[kagenaki koe]

McCain's giving Sarah her very own My Super Sweet 16 party.

[gambit]

Watched the Daily Show tonight, and they brought up this and how she got the state of Alaska to pay for her staying at her home and for flights for her family, and only one conclusion could be made.

SARAH PALIN IS A GRIFTER!!! She found a rich old guy to buy her tons of expensive stuff! :D

[//\/\/]

"Palin joked: "Someone called me a `redneck woman' once. You know what I said back? `Thank-you very much."'

oh. my. god.

[Deckard]

"Palin joked: "Someone called me a `redneck woman' once. You know what I said back? `Thank-you very much."'

oh. my. god.
Don't forget, ignorance and narrowmindedness are things to be PROUD of. ;)

Anything else would be liberal/elitist/professorial/do-gooder/unpatriotic/.......

Honestly, conservatives like to sneer about politically-correct liberals - yet the way I see it, this kind of appeasement is surely the most damaging form of political correctness that exists today - the kind that seeks to wear ignorance as a badge of honour and bigotry as evidence of some kind of cultural authenticity of real America.

I don't hear Fox News speaking out against the way so many people just dance around the utter drivel spouted by these morons for fear of offending them.

(It's PC-gone-mad, I tell ya!)

[gambit]

Redneck isn't much of an insult anymore. It's a badge of honor so people can excuse themselves for being ignorant and acting like jackasses.

[Sean]

Don't forget, ignorance and narrowmindedness are things to be PROUD of. ;)

Anything else would be liberal/elitist/professorial/do-gooder/unpatriotic/.......

Honestly, conservatives like to sneer about politically-correct liberals - yet the way I see it, this kind of appeasement is surely the most damaging form of political correctness that exists today - the kind that seeks to wear ignorance as a badge of honour and bigotry as evidence of some kind of cultural authenticity of real America.

I don't hear Fox News speaking out against the way so many people just dance around the utter drivel spouted by these morons for fear of offending them.

(It's PC-gone-mad, I tell ya!)I've never seen so many people involved with or supporting a campaign work so hard to brag about how glad they are that smart people - now known as "elitists" - don't support them. Peggy Noonan? Christopher Buckley? Colin Powell? Nothing but "Georgetown cocktail party conservatives". Who needs those kinds of smarty-pants people around anyway? Especially when you have down-home, good-sense people supporting you like Joe the Plumber. :rolleyes:

[//\/\/]

see the future:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

[nosajmunson]

Sarah Palin a Redneck, that's crazy. She is a Pro-American!
Here is a Picture of Bible Spice at a Weekend Church Getaway.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/604/biblespiceke1.jpg

[cacophony]

see the future:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

this has been updated with an addition of joe the plumber's van parked outside.

[chuck]

Wait.

All that money - and they can't get her the right scarf to wear?

Donkey? (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html)

[Sean]

Wait.

All that money - and they can't get her the right scarf to wear?

Donkey? (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html)Brilliant!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee7/grandbrother/sarah-palin-donkey_32781s.jpg

[cacophony]

OHNOES! PALIN IS GOING ROGUE! (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html)

With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser.
"She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news conference on a Colorado tarmac.

Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt tried several times to end the unscheduled session.

[Deckard]

OHNOES! PALIN IS GOING ROGUE! (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html)
She's discovered her own crowd and bought into all the support she gets from them, and naturally doesn't want to let go of that. Independents and moderates have been scathing of her, so it's little wonder she wants to stay on that side of things.

God I pray that this particular woman doesn't ever get into the top job.

[Dirty0900]

I want to meat Joe the plumber.

[kagenaki koe]

She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser.
"She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

maverick!

[chuck]

hahah - i read that as: Palin is going ROUGE!!

freaking MSM and their fixation on Saks purchases.

[cacophony]

i totally think this woman has fallen victim to the delusion that takes over so many mismanaged celebrities. she's just another in a long line of stars who go crazy from being surrounded by yes-men. michael jackson, brittney spears, and now sarah palin.

[Troy McClure]

Gov. Palin warns of communism by Obama in Iowa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE

When I saw this clip today my first thought is Palin going rouge, but since she is struggling to get through the lines even by her own standards, I don't know what to think.

Money quote:
"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else. If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody. Obama, Barack Obama has an ideological commitment to higher taxes, and I say this based on his record... Higher taxes, more government, misusing the power to tax leads to government moving into the role of some believing that government then has to take care of us. And government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family, making decisions for us. Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."

Jason

[BeautifulBurnout]

Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."

Jason

... like most of Western Europe you mean? :p

This really is last-ditch scaremongering. Obama is right of centre by any European standard.

[Deckard]

... like most of Western Europe you mean? :p

This really is last-ditch scaremongering. Obama is right of centre by any European standard.
That's what's funny about it all. They must imagine we're here in grey uniforms eating our state-supplied "United Kingdom of Britain" Corn Flakes or something...

[gambit]

The Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama for President. (http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html)

[Deckard]

It probably won't make a difference, but... oops!

[Sean]

More Palin brilliance, and more displays of level-headedness from her mob-I mean, her audience...

The governor continued to press the campaign’s message of the day: that Barack Obama and congressional Democrats will, if elected, expand government and redistribute the hard-earned dollars of regular Americans, criticisms that brought on accusatory shouts of “socialist!,” “Communist!” and, at one point, “Hussein the socialist!”

This woman increasingly seems to me to be thinking that she's the poster-girl for the future of the Republican Party. As an independent who still has respect for some Republican ideologies, I sure hope the party doesn't decide to take the Palin route. If they do, then I think we'll be seeing our country spiral into a poisonous, ideological battle that will last for many years and cause nothing but serious problems. Honestly, her brand of Republicanism has me, for the first time in my life, truly frightened of what we may face in a possible future where she's running the show. Realistically though, I have a hard time believing that enough people like her to ever put her in the White House. I hope...

[chuck]

I guess until someone from the GOP really comes out and calls her on the bullshit - she's going to be able to keep going. And that's not going to happen during the next couple of weeks. I'm amazed that some of the noises about the rift between her and McCain are even getting out. Just examples of how erratic the McCain-Palin ticket is. But after the election - there might come a reckoning - and I would hope that those who really believe in conservative values (small govt, less taxes, less foreign intervention) actually step up.

Reading Sullivan, who's a conservative, he talks of this internal war - and has a hope for the future of the conservative movement in the US. As a political way of thinking the McCain-Palin-GW Bush-Rove ideology is far removed from traditional conservatism. (As I understand it anyway.)

I think Palin is the obligatory result of the last 8 years of Rove-led/O'Reilly-managed/Fox spun bile. It's only natural for her to appeal the base level responses of the electorate - after all, that's what Rove appealed to and who Fox speaks too.

If you've watched any of O'Reilly's rants over the years - as dirty and as sordid as that might make you feel - you can understand how those screaming "socialist", "communist", "kill him" feel justified.

This isn't a culture war - it's a thinking war.

And war is not even the right word for it. It's a battle over the discourse - not the content of the discourse - but how we even go about discussing the content. Possibly a little too post-modern and meta for most - but hugely important.

I think the polls are showing that - they're so random and all over the place - and in part I think that's because so much polling takes place now, a certain percentage of those polled play the game. No-one really knows what those polls mean - and do people even believe the polls, or place much faith in them.

Palin and those who buy into her discourse are frustrating to me on a personal level.

But those who are thinking - on both sides of whatever issue is at hand - well they need to be looked out for and listened too.

Case in point:

http://www.conservativesforchange.com/

[chuck]

The Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama for President. (http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html)

What's odd about that endorsement is this quote:

The election, after all is said and done, is not about Sarah Palin, and our sober view is that her running mate, Sen. John McCain, is the wrong choice for president at this critical time for our nation.Is McCain a poor choice because he's not presidential or because he chose a complete amateur for his running mate?

For me - it's a bit of both.

Gov. Palin has shown the country why she has been so successful in her young political career. Passionate, charismatic and indefatigable, she draws huge crowds and sows excitement in her wake. She has made it clear she's a force to be reckoned with, and you can be sure politicians and political professionals across the country have taken note. Her future, in Alaska and on the national stage, seems certain to be played out in the limelight.

oh. god. please. no.

I don't know if I'd call what's being sown in her wake as "excitement".

Incitement possibly - stirring up of racially based, negative stereotypes possibly,

Incoherent, rambling, inaccurate statements - definitely.

I mean - judging the reports from her campaign stops - could you really be in there and walk out feeling excited, lifted and positive about the future?

[cured]

Palin is going to be in some trouble when she gets back to Alaska. She's rubbed republicans the wrong way, as with democrats, and with the legion of cronies she's employed coming out into the light, there will definitely be some very tough moments ahead for Governor Palin.

[cacophony]

Wait.

All that money - and they can't get her the right scarf to wear?

Donkey? (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html)

have you read the totally "plausible" (read: not plausible in the least) explanation (http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_10815907?nclick_check=1)?

On the same day, reports began flying about Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe, the Eye was in Reno at a rally where the vice presidential contender donned something she got for free: a Democratic scarf given to her by Linda Williams, a former Californian.

Williams said she gave up her prized vintage 1970s scarf — blue and red and ringed with donkeys — to send a message that she was supporting Palin after Hillary Rodham Clinton left the race. And she said Palin was happy to wear it as she autographed signs at the rally Tuesday.

oh yeah. i tooooooootally believe that story. :rolleyes:

[gambit]

Elisabeth Hasselbeck calls media scrutiny of Palin sexist, then uses gender stereotypes. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/26/1595133.aspx)

Palin was prompted by her introducer, Elisabeth Hasselbeck of The View, who in a self-described “sassy” preamble, said the media had become “fixated” on what she wore.

“Now, with everything going on in the world, seems a bit odd,” Hasselbeck said. “But let me tell you, this is deliberately sexist.”“Did I mention that this woman, she’s got a real knack for cleaning,” Hasselbeck said. “She cleaned up house in Alaska. Yup. All that corruption went out with the trash.”

...

“It’s getting hot up here,” Hasselbeck said. “And I promise you, when it gets hot in the kitchen, she may be from Alaska, but this woman can take the heat.”Cacophony, the ball is in your court. ;)

[chuck]

No.

When it gets hot in the kitchen - a smart cook opens a window or turn the extractor fan on.

[cacophony]

Cacophony, the ball is in your court. ;)

elisabeth hasselbeck makes me want to eat my own eyeballs.

frankly i don't see anything sexist in the whole clothing-gate thing. no one gave a shit about what she wore until it came out that the amount of money spent was exorbitant. the controversy has been about the finances, not about the style. if joe biden had gone on a shopping spree and spent $150k on navy blue suits it would have been just as controversial.

i can't recall a word being breathed about palin's choice of clothing before the receipts were made public. to me, hasselbeck's comment says more about her own sexism and her peabrained knee-jerk connection between "women" and "clothing." she might as well have followed up her statement with, "tee hee don't you love shoes?!?!11"

[gambit]

Cacophony gains 6 experience points. It would've been more, but Elisabeth Hasselbeck is an easy target. :D

[Sean]

I think Palin is the obligatory result of the last 8 years of Rove-led/O'Reilly-managed/Fox spun bile.So then what you're basically saying is that Palin is America's vomit. :)

elisabeth hasselbeck makes me want to eat my own eyeballs.

You people are on fire tonight! :D

[cacophony]

So then what you're basically saying is that Palin is America's vomit. :)

put that on a t-shirt and i'd wear it.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

You lot are completely heartless. It makes me sad.

Then, I laugh really hard holding my belly.

[cured]

I think Palin's career is over. If the democrats manage to get a filibuster-proof majority in the senate and continue gaining in the House, the conservative movement will likely have to come back to the center from the right. When these seats are safe for their demographic region, neither democrats or conservatives have to worry much about being challenged bysomeone from the other aisle. Rather, their competition comes from their own flanks so it encourages the lefties to stay on the left and the righties to stay on the right. Throw that into chaos and you have, now, an entire party that has to re-examine their message and their focus. This election is largely a verdict that the right has failed.

[dubman]

i think it's too soon to call that. call it having a bush in office for more than half my life but the way i see it republicans have a child-like tenacity and baselessness that wont stop them from plumbing the depths of pathos and division at every opportunuity to get what they want. i dont say democrats are free of this, but they def. stop short of the demagoguery we've seen this decade.

i'd say right now theyre simply confused. they dont have the right kind of rhetoric against his type that can sink him yet. he's like a rookie pitcher unleashed into the world series who gets the best men out because no one has seen his style to know how to swing against it. it'll only take time to figure out the angles of attack and form the unified front again. unless he's an unmitigated success they will definitely construe him as a major disappointment and know how to word it right this time.

they may be fumbling too late to scare everyone away from him, but this just means they have 4 years to do it now.


ok this next bit is unrelated but gambit sent this to me and it made me lol:
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=kClnEhsxjSPQSc7fc5ni9zQ3MjEzODQ-&referred_by=11523119-z_nbbwx

[cacophony]

I think Palin's career is over. If the democrats manage to get a filibuster-proof majority in the senate and continue gaining in the House, the conservative movement will likely have to come back to the center from the right.

i disagree. we ended up in this ultra-conservative nightmare because the public reacted in a hyper reflexive reaction to the last time the democrats held both executive and legislative branches. all we need is one good source of moral outrage and we could easily swing back to the extreme right.

[cured]

I was watching extreme left wing propagandist Bill Maher on his elite librul show on HBO and one of the guests noted that Obama would have about a year before the jury is in on him. If he does well, it will change the conversation within the conservative party. If he falls flat, there will be a lot of wardrum beating going on within conservative circles that "we were right, he was wrong for us." Of course, it's their complete lack attention and care and refusal tobe critical of their own which has given us the past 8 years. 9/11 did a lot to shake this country and standing up to a republican president who went on the attack was never going to be a very popular position but it doesn't also mean that the principles on domestic issues had to be thrown out the window, as they were.

Why I say Sarah palin is done is because she's given the left plenty of ammunition for the next four years. Her record in Alaska speaks that she's really not in control of her own house and that she looks disdainfully on education (she managed to get a BA in journalism but her son dropped out of high school and one of her daughters missed about half a year of school). Perhaps, in time, she can find her own voice when it comes to international affairs but it honestly looks like she just hasn't been interested in all of that. That's hardly patriotic, in my view. If she really thinks she's the next big ticket for the republican party, that leads me to wonder how she will govern Alaska, given the increased scrutiny and how she can really raise concern over issues that don't pertain to her state. Besides, the GOP has someone they'll be able to rally around in 4 years and that guy is Bobby Jindal.

[gambit]

ok this next bit is unrelated but gambit sent this to me and it made me lol:
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=kClnEhsxjSPQSc7fc5ni9zQ3MjEzODQ-&referred_by=11523119-z_nbbwxHeh, yeah, I love the old arthritic lady cussing you/me out.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Heh, yeah, I love the old arthritic lady cussing you/me out.


Imagine watching it after smoking a joint? Not that I'd ever do that, but I bet it would be funnier.

[rayray]

take it to the streets people - vote !

http://www.frighteningprospect.com

[cured]

heh.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I suddenly long to be a hillbilly.

[cacophony]

heh.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

the part of me with a perverse sense of humor is going to miss her. the rest of me wants to cram her back into the mudhole she crawled out of.

[cured]

Well, given that ted Stevens may win his senate race and then be promptly booted from Washington...guess who has the pwer to nominate herself as the next senator from Alaska? I'll give you a hint:

SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT...SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A F*CKIN COUNTRY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

[Troy McClure]

Sweet Jeebus...I just was watching the same clip via Talking Points Memo.

I'll almost starting to feel sorry for her because the McCain Camp doesn't want to take the fall for their own mess.

Yet I will continue to search out news like this and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.

Jason

[BeautifulBurnout]

"She didn't accept preparation for the Katy Couric interview."

When you hear about how they actually predicted the questions she was likely to be asked and she refused to prepare for them, to then have here whining that she had been picked on by the mainstream media is quite astounding.

(As for thinking Africa was a country, that makes up for Bush thinking Nigeria was a continent ;) )

Explains it all. Unfortunately the most ignorant people are usually those who refuse to accept they are ignorant, and refuse to accept that they could improve themselves. She really is the architect of her own misfortune.

[Sean]

Well, given that ted Stevens may win his senate race and then be promptly booted from Washington...guess who has the pwer to nominate herself as the next senator from Alaska? I'll give you a hint:

SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT...SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A F*CKIN COUNTRY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4BcHard to believe that the selection of her was even more irresponsible than we first thought...

[cacophony]

She really is the architect of her own misfortune.
well said.

[//\/\/]

the likes of malkin are trying to pass off her stupidity as 'instant trivia', saying that 'character counts' more. because she's shown herself to be of such good character...

[gambit]

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"

The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.

Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."

Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.Just another reason to loathe this vile woman.

[Deckard]

Can you imagine the kind of introspection there will be if anything happens to him?

[gambit]

Introspection by whom?

[Deckard]

McCain/Palin supporters, at least the ones who aren't sick enough to cheer such a thing should it ever actually happen.

[Sean]

McCain/Palin supporters, at least the ones who aren't sick enough to cheer such a thing should it ever actually happen.I personally wonder if Palin herself is realistic or intelligent enough to recognize that her words very likely did cause this spike in death threats. I tend to think that even if she does, she'll never acknowledge it.

I'm just thankful that so much negative news is coming out about her, and I hope it continues. Anything legitimate that can happen or be said to make a future run for the White House by her impossible is totally welcome in my opinion.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I personally wonder if Palin herself is realistic or intelligent enough to recognize that her words very likely did cause this spike in death threats. I tend to think that even if she does, she'll never acknowledge it.

I'm just thankful that so much negative news is coming out about her, and I hope it continues. Anything legitimate that can happen or be said to make a future run for the White House by her is totally welcome in my opinion.


Right, denial. No way, never. I'd never believe it.

[cacophony]

I'm just thankful that so much negative news is coming out about her, and I hope it continues. Anything legitimate that can happen or be said to make a future run for the White House by her impossible is totally welcome in my opinion.

hear hear!

[BeautifulBurnout]

Can you imagine the kind of introspection there will be if anything happens to him?
Introspection by whom?

Certainly not her. Nothing is ever her fault. Ever. It is all them. :rolleyes:

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

BB: May I copy and paste your poetry?

[BeautifulBurnout]

BB: May I copy and paste your poetry?

"Oh I didn't realise that you wrote poetry
"I didn't realise you wrote such bloody awful poetry
"Mr Shankley. (http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=m-O665wmJhQ)"
:D

If you find poetry in my words, my sweet, then how can I deny you? :)

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

"Oh I didn't realise that you wrote poetry
"I didn't realise you wrote such bloody awful poetry
"Mr Shankley. (http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=m-O665wmJhQ)"
:D

If you find poetry in my words, my sweet, then how can I deny you? :)


Great thanks. Ummm, I gonna add a period at the end. I don't know if that was some kind of artist flare or something else, but ... it doesn't look good.

[gambit]

Certainly not her. Nothing is ever her fault. Ever. It is all them. :rolleyes:BB, you're sexist for even questioning her. You sexist woman, you.

Honestly, I don't think Palin has the mental capacity for introspection. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I can't just picture it with her. She's cut from the "America has nothing to apologize for" cloth. If something were to happen to Obama, she'd say that was sad and move on five seconds later.

I would expect the first person to question himself would be McCain. It was clear that things didn't go the way he wanted, and despite how much his campaign disgusted me, I think he would be horrified.

[gambit]

Ugh, looks like she's eyeing 2012 (in a very indirect way). (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin#full) But apart from that, this line is golden:

"I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday.I mean, like, ohmigod! Like, if that door is, like, so totally open, then I'm going to be, like, I gotta go for it, dontcha know?!

(Sorry, couldn't resist. :D)

[Deckard]

I agree with you Sean that Palin probably even lacks the ability of introspection in that sense. I still feel uncomfortable 'hounding' a relatively wet-behind-the-ears (ex-)candidate, but it truly beggars belief how moronic this one turned out to be.

I honestly have to wonder if Republican strategists deliberately chose the most foolish, dimwitted female candidate they could possibly find as a way of sticking two fingers up to the prospect of breaking through the glass ceiling and womens representation in politics generally. The whole thing almost seems like a tasteless joke by them.

[Deckard]

Ugh, looks like she's eyeing 2012 (in a very indirect way). (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin#full)
If true, the world really will end in 2012 (or, umm, January 2013)

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"Regarding the reported Africa gaffe, Palin said, "And never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a country or is it a continent? I just don't know about this issue. So I don't know how they took our one discussion on Africa and turned that into what they turned it into ... Along those same lines, of course, was the criticism that supposedly I didn't know who the participants in NAFTA were."

Still not much of a denial; just a fudge-it-and-move-on-quickly dismissal...

[cacophony]

I agree with you Sean that Palin probably even lacks the ability of introspection in that sense. I still feel uncomfortable 'hounding' a relatively wet-behind-the-ears (ex-)candidate, but it truly beggars belief how moronic this one turned out to be.

i think it's okay to hound an inexperienced candidate when that inexperienced candidate is willing to put her quest for power above the welfare of the nation she intends to represent in the second highest office in the land. her machiavellian attempts to bypass the necessary experience one should gain before striving for that seat of power leave her totally open to whatever valid criticism you can lob her way, regardless of how harsh it may be.

she knows she's inexperienced. she knows she's sneaking in the back door of a club she would never be admitted to otherwise. she deserves to be raked over the coals for her actions.

I honestly have to wonder if Republican strategists deliberately chose the most foolish, dimwitted female candidate they could possibly find as a way of sticking two fingers up to the prospect of breaking through the glass ceiling and womens representation in politics generally. The whole thing almost seems like a tasteless joke by them.

i honestly think the republican strategists thought they would get away with it. the modern republican party is marked by one distinct quality: hubris. i think they knew they were trying to pull an eliza doolittle here and pass off a mealy-mouthed backwater hillbilly as a seasoned statesman. they were overconfident in their ability to use spin and the social psychology of party-wide victimization to manipulate the public into believing the illusion they were trying to create.

and i honestly think they had no idea that she would be too headstrong and arrogant to submit to their image control. not to mention that after this many years of republican style-over-substance shenanigans the public has gotten suspicious of their spin.

[kagenaki koe]

bitch isnt sorry as hell about her "palling around with terrorists" rhetoric:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/12/palin-attacks-obama-over_n_143362.html

FU sarah! don't bitch about how people talk about you, you unrepentant social climber

andrew sullivan says it best:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/why-palin-still.html#more

This deluded and delusional woman still doesn't understand what happened to her; still has no self-awareness; and has never been forced to accept her obvious limitations. She cannot keep even the most trivial story straight; she repeats untruths with a ferocity and calm that is reserved only to the clinically unhinged; she has the educational level of a high school drop-out; and regards ignorance as some kind of achievement.

[Troy McClure]

Gov. Palin likes to keep it real...real dumb.

Andrew Sullivan has been rightly tough on Palin. I only begun reading his website since about 3 months ago. I truly had no idea he was fairly conservative.

Jason

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/political-pictures-sarah-palin-mayans.jpg

[Deckard]

Gov. Palin likes to keep it real...real dumb.

Andrew Sullivan has been rightly tough on Palin. I only begun reading his website since about 3 months ago. I truly had no idea he was fairly conservative.
Yes, the sensible end of it! If more conservatism resembled the Sullivan template, the brand would be much less toxic.

Particularly liked this:
It was a final product of the now-exhausted strategy of fomenting fundamentalist resentment to elect politicians dedicated to the defense of Israel and the extension of American military hegemony in every corner of the globe. Palin was the reductio ad absurdum of this mindset: a mannequin candidate, easily controlled ideologically, deployed to fool and corral the resentful and the frightened, removed from serious scrutiny and sold on propaganda networks like a food product.

Not sure I agree with this though:
That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy for two months - and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish - is a sign of their total loss of nerve.
I'd swap press for electorate, or commentators - but what else could the press have done? As it was, there were complaints that they went too far. Going further would have turned her into a martyr/victim and made them look like disruptors of the democratic process, making her even more appealing to some.

But yes, "This deluded and delusional woman still doesn't understand what happened to her; still has no self-awareness; and has never been forced to accept her obvious limitations." - unfortunately that's absolutely the impression I get too.

[Deckard]

Yes I know it's over (for 4 years at least) but I just need to post this...

Sarah Palin Turkey Incident: Does TV Interview While Turkeys Are Slaughtered In The Background (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sarah-palin-holds-news-co_n_145375.html) (VIDEO)

"On Thursday, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin appeared in Wasilla in order to pardon a local turkey in anticipation of Thanksgiving. This proved to be a slightly absurd but ultimately unremarkable event. But what came next was positively surreal. After the pardon Palin proceeded to do an interview with a local TV station while the turkeys were being SLAUGHTERED in the background!!"

Seriously, the comedy just never ends. :D
(unless you happen to be the turkey)

[Sean]

It's pretty magical that she's actually saying "you need a little levity in this job" as a turkey is dying in the background.

And a rare moment of Palin being right as she mentions that she'll "probably invite criticism by doing this"

Crazy stuff. :rolleyes:

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

It's pretty magical that she's actually saying "you need a little levity in this job" as a turkey is dying in the background.

And a rare moment of Palin being right as she mentions that she'll "probably invite criticism by doing this"

Crazy stuff. :rolleyes:

I'm not in the know of the turkey symbolism.

Jive turkeys? Come now, boys, fill me in.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Hehehehehe. Too funny. Except for the turkey. Seems like it takes a long time to kill the little blighter too, unless the guy was distracted by all the wittering going on behind him.

Like I said on another forum:

"She's wearing a Burberry scarf! I knew she was a chav!"

:o

[cacophony]

Yes I know it's over (for 4 years at least) but I just need to post this...
it's okay, darlin'. i was just coming here to post this story myself. sarah palin's comedic value is too good to ignore.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Maybe he has eyes in the back of 'is 'ead?

[dubnobasswithme]

"She's wearing a Burberry scarf! I knew she was a chav!"

hahaha! the burberry is the first thing i noticed too :P

[dubman]

i dont really get this one.
i guess it was kinda sloppy of her but yr on a turkey farm, talking about supporting local farmers, it's turkey killin month... hey hey, this is part of what happens there.

why is anyone surprised/taking potshots about this?

[Deckard]

i dont really get this one.
i guess it was kinda sloppy of her but yr on a turkey farm, talking about supporting local farmers, it's turkey killin month... hey hey, this is part of what happens there.

why is anyone surprised/taking potshots about this?

"in order to pardon a local turkey"

I mean, cmon! :D

What with the whole Palin/slaughtering thing already out there.

[Sean]

"in order to pardon a local turkey"

I mean, cmon! :D

What with the whole Palin/slaughtering thing already out there.Exactly. It's a silly PR flub. Go "pardon" a turkey, and then do interviews in front of all it's friends getting slaughtered.

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it looks like a real-life wallace and gromit sketch!

[Deckard]

Haha, yeah it's very Aardman. Creature Comforts springs to mind too.

http://i38.tinypic.com/f3vno0.jpg

Can quite easily imagine a turkey being shredded while a pitbull (with lipstick) gives an interview in the foreground. :D