The time for Dirty Shirts has arrived

[Future Proof]

Well, after another discussion I have decided that it's time to get things formally moving with Dirty Shirts. Although I can do as little as one per run, if you guys wants your shirts silkscreened (being, the process of laying ink instead of a high-quality, non-transparent transfer) I need to qualify how much interest there is before I lay out the options here. Reagrdless of how I make them though, I can tell you that I will be charging around $15 for each shirt (but will discuss why they go up if they do, most likely due to the demands of the job); 50% of the proceeds will be going to the site as soon as I ascertain where the check needs to be sent.

Also, I would highly prefer that some of the artists here volunteer their services for design. In about 2-3 weeks we will hold a vote to see whose art will grace the shirts. If I do silkscreen, the maximum colors allowed in the print are 3 colors, and the colors need to be separated out after if your design is selected. But don't worry, I'll walk you through it. :)

So, phase 1 of this is to gauge interest. I'm looking for a minimum of 12 votes for yes (regardless of which one) and after that we'll get into art selection. So vote now... poll closes next Wednesday. :)

[the real stuff]

I voted "yes -- let someone else do the artwork" but I'd be happy to whip up some design concepts if we only get one or two submissions.

Thanks for getting this rolling :)

[Leon]

I'm very interested, and $15 is a very good price!

I don't really understand the "if you guys wants your shirts silkscreened (being, the process of laying ink instead of a high-quality, non-transparent transfer)" line though, but that's because of the language barrier I guess. Does it mean the quality is just... good?

I think I can do international payments via my bank too, so that won't be a problem.
Sorry, but I can't help you with artwork.

[patrick]

silk screening actually dies the fabrics and thus can't be worn off. the high quality, non transparent transfer sounds like the plasticy ones that kinda go on shirts that eventually flake off after a while from washing, bar brawls, sex, etc...

[Dirty0900]

*Strokes his dirtyshirt*

Yeah why not, though i think Scott should have some major imput in to this if ought happens, it is his site and original concept after all!

[stimpee]

If the proceeds went to some decent cause, be it website upkeep or something more philanthropic.I agree with Holden here so it was good to see you make the statement below which basically says you'll donate half of each sale to the dirty site? Admirable.
Regardless of how I make them though, I can tell you that I will be charging around $15 for each shirt (but will discuss why they go up if they do, most likely due to the demands of the job); 50% of the proceeds will be going to the site as soon as I ascertain where the check needs to be sent.
i think Scott should have some major imput in to this if ought happens, it is his site and original concept after all!We all know that no-one wants to step on anyone's toes but we also know that people won't wait forever. An official blessing would be and should be sought. Scott's intellectual property? That maybe true. However, if some of the proceeds are coming back to the site it shouldnt be a problem (but thats not for me to say). I for one would also like to see an official dirty shirt and will get one whenever they finally are announced.

I'm just a moderator, I'm not the owner.

So, at the very least I hope this can rustle up some creative designs.

[Future Proof]

At about this point, I'm with you Stimpee. I smell a shitstorm on the horizon for me and although it doesn't really bother me, I personally give the odds of the 22 people so far that have expressed interest in a shirt a 1 in 3 chance of actually having it for the spring. That's all I'm at liberty to say.

[Future Proof]

Hey, the 2 that expressed interest in doing art... PM me when you get the chance. Thanks!

[Future Proof]

silk screening actually dies the fabrics and thus can't be worn off. the high quality, non transparent transfer sounds like the plasticy ones that kinda go on shirts that eventually flake off after a while from washing, bar brawls, sex, etc...

Actually, you're thinking of sublimination. Silk screen is the art of using a plastisol-based ink, spreading it onto a shirt with the aid of a screen that has your image's composite burnt onto it, and then curing the ink at 840 degrees in an oven. It has a similar longetivity rate as sublimination, although both are subjected to damage when subjected to extremely high temperatures (325 degrees fahrenheit or higher). But yeah, those two processes are the most durable, embroidery coming in at a distant second.

[botkiller]

I'd totally contribute artwork, I can do a lot of graphical design.

[patrick]

Actually, you're thinking of sublimination. Silk screen is the art of using a plastisol-based ink, spreading it onto a shirt with the aid of a screen that has your image's composite burnt onto it, and then curing the ink at 840 degrees in an oven. It has a similar longetivity rate as sublimination, although both are subjected to damage when subjected to extremely high temperatures (325 degrees fahrenheit or higher). But yeah, those two processes are the most durable, embroidery coming in at a distant second.
my uncle has a flag factory. guess i know less of the tech than i thought. he also (i'm pretty sure) pioneered digitally printing onto fabrics so he was able to make full color flags and cost efficient 1 or two off flags without making screens... would be hard to do with t's just cuase of the shape and pre-color, but seems to work well for his business...


anyhow. i'm in, can't do art though

[Future Proof]

One more taker and the shirts fall into the 24-37 piece price range, a cheap price range which means Scott gets more money per shirt! Come on you stingy ingrates!! :)

[Lou]

yes, i want a dirty shirt, but i'm not sure i want to commit myself to buying it off you at this moment in time, because i have the feeling you're pushing it too hard...
I want a Dirty shirt that comes from the community, dirty.org is Scott's thing, and i feel he should be involved in this.
If that means i have to wait another year, well, so be it :) , i've been member of dirty for 7 and a half years and i survived without the shirt ;)
It would be lovely if we could all wear the same shirt at the next meetings/gigs, but if it's not with a dirty shirt, we'll make our own again. I loved Stimpee's shirt, it looked very professional.
So... since there's no options in your poll to choose to wait and see what Scott says about this, i won't vote.

[Future Proof]

That's fine... I'm actually stepping away from this thing until clarification comes down the pipe. I gathered the wrong idea from a prior conversation, that being that it's ok to make Dirty shirts and the like... it was my intention, by stealing the reins, to provide a product that A.) didn't look like junk (like most home made jobs do) and B.) catered to what I thought were the desires of you all, of which some of you have also stolen the reins and made your own Dirty shirts, without recognition or reimbursement to Scott. And point B, having watched how much Scott's toiled over this site for the past 10 years, irks me.

It was only my sole intention to make a product that held the place in a good light, and allowed you guys to spend your money in a channel that led directly back to Scott and co. Had I have wanted to profiteer off this thing, I would've never outlined what percentage Scott was going to get off the sales, or that he would make a profit anyways. But Lou's right, that after realizing that I've moved errantly, to make any further movement would just be plain malicious. And before I get banned off of the site, I'd just like to say that it's great that a whole bunch of you are interested. But it's apparent that there is nothing good that I can do except do nothing or jump when told to jump, and I'm not going to stick mine or my company's neck out until Scott either gives me the work or tells me to fuck off and that he's got it covered.

My apologies... :) For those that were interested in designing something draw it up -- who knows if you'll make the coolest design available and it won't be eventually used at Scott's discretion otherwise.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Edited:

My original post was a rant. (I am always grumpy first thing in the moring 'til I've had at least two pints of tea.) This is more like "ah, whatever". People should do what they want to do. You have plenty of people willing to buy, but Lou is right: unless this is officially stamped it really is no different to making your own, frankly. As I said in another thread, I know you have a crust to earn, but so do we all. Keeping Dirty money within Dirty is all well and good if it is a Dirty-driven enterprise, and that is something you need to iron out with Scott.

[King of Snake]

Scott! Where are you!? :) Let's get this thing sorted out now once and for all. These threads seem to pop up twice a year, with a lot of people expressing interest in a: owning an official shirt and b: supporting the site with their purchase, and at the same time people offering their professional services to make it happen. I don't see the problem, but if there is one, it would be nice to have some official announcement as to why it's not happening.

[Caprice]

Im willing to pay $15 per t shirt, gladly

[Scott Warner]

t would be nice to have some official announcement as to why it's not happening.
1. I'm not on a timeline (obviously)
2. I'm really busy
3. I'm not in need of money to fund this site

Look, some of you in this thread have a penchant for the dramatic when really all I did was send a message to Paul and said "Nobody asked me about this." I think that's reasonable given the fact that it's my site.

If you guys want to make some shirts, make some shirts! All I ask is that if you're going to represent this as if it's an official shirt of our organization that you simply keep me in the loop. I have a PM box.

[undarrenworld]

Im willing to pay $15 per t shirt, gladly

Yes $15 is fair price. Count me in.

[Future Proof]

Ok, well I supposed that's all settled now...

So where were we? :)

Oh yeah -- art. Mail it to producer9k2k5@yahoo.com, and CC it to scott@dirty.org. Thanks!

[Scott Warner]

Ooops - that's no longer my email address. ;)

Just send me a PM.

[King of Snake]

1. I'm not on a timeline (obviously)
2. I'm really busy
3. I'm not in need of money to fund this site

Look, some of you in this thread have a penchant for the dramatic when really all I did was send a message to Paul and said "Nobody asked me about this." I think that's reasonable given the fact that it's my site.

If you guys want to make some shirts, make some shirts! All I ask is that if you're going to represent this as if it's an official shirt of our organization that you simply keep me in the loop. I have a PM box.

thanks for the announcement ;)
Wasn't trying to suggest you had loads of spare time on your hands obviously. Just that it shouldn't actually take very much of your time just giving the official "green light", so to say, for other people (futureproof) to execute the practicalities of this plan :)

As has been mentioned, it's pretty easy to make your own shirts, but people here (including me) seem to rather want something sort of official, and even if you don't actually need the money, people might actually still want to express their gratitude for your efforts concerning the forum and dirty in general in a monetary way by buying official merchandise, so "i don't need the money" isn't really a good reason for it not to go trough, since it's obviously not about the money, but about the gesture.

As for "nobody asked me about this". Well, people have been asking for the return of Dirtyshirts on the forum for a long time. There was quite a big thread about it some time ago if i remember correctly, where something seemed to be happening, then didn't. I can't recall if you yourself participated in that thread or not though.

[patrick]

well sounds like scott is okay with the idea as long as the art and design is nice and tasteful. if he doesn't want the money we can send it somewhere good for the world, or lower the price or whatever?

anyhow. let's see some art peeps (haha, so demanding!)

[Scott Warner]

Yeah, didn't want to make it sound as though I didn't appreciate the gesture because I certainly do. There wouldn't be forums here if I didn't. :)

I think Patrick's idea is a fine one. Donate the proceeds to a charity or non-profit org; there's a poll topic waiting to happen for you.

[King of Snake]

argh, not more polls! :p

[patrick]

argh, not more polls! :p
i think we need a poll to see if we should have any more polls or not...

ha ha! :D

[stimpee]

I'd certainly like to see all the art submitted.

[BeautifulBurnout]

This is more like it. :D

[Future Proof]

Yup -- well I certainly feel better anyways, lol...

[Neo Mike]

I say we do them similar to the old designs.

Any takers on that idea?

[big screen satellite]

i think we need to vote on the designs or even have a couple available to buy instead of just one...

anyway i'm with stimpee, i'd like to see them all, and think Scott should be kept in the loop about what is representing the 'dirty' name in the public domain - afterall its showcasing the site in the end


i'm dirty ;)

[Scott Warner]

Yannick created a number of designs we intended to turn into shirts one day. Ultimately those would be what I would *like* to see become shirts, although some of the design was certainly for a previous iteration of the site.

[Tom]

OK, Here's how this is gonna work.

Either this gets made into a shirt (http://www.dirty.org/users/tommy/dirtyshirt.jpg), and you all buy it, or I quit dirty forever.

Of course, we'd have to jack the price up like 6000% to cover the cost of all the awesome needed for such a task, but I think you'll all agree the finished product will be worth it.

Pretty sure HAL9000 is taking pre-orders.

[stimpee]

Pretty sure HAL9000 is taking pre-orders.yeah, i'd pretty much ordered that design even before you'd made this post.

[ndrwrld]

bring back the brown.
i'd be willing to pay top dollar for one...hell, i'll even pay top dollar for a used one.
HINT HINT ! !

[dubman]

i'm definately using "this shirt kicks bumz" line for it...

[King of Snake]

Yannick created a number of designs we intended to turn into shirts one day. Ultimately those would be what I would *like* to see become shirts, although some of the design was certainly for a previous iteration of the site.

it would be nice to have yannick designed shirt, since he did the site as well, and his stuff is kickass :)
Then again, if we have to wait for yannick, we might as wel wait till hell freezes over ;)

[stimpee]

bring back the brown.now here's a man who knows what he's talking about. i should bring back my old sig.

[Future Proof]

OK, Here's how this is gonna work.

Either this gets made into a shirt (http://www.dirty.org/users/tommy/dirtyshirt.jpg), and you all buy it, or I quit dirty forever.

Of course, we'd have to jack the price up like 6000% to cover the cost of all the awesome needed for such a task, but I think you'll all agree the finished product will be worth it.

Pretty sure HAL9000 is taking pre-orders.

If you want that, I can make that into a high-quality transfer for you. :D

[Future Proof]

Well, I've seen pretty much all I need to see to justify going into this.

My car was hit about 2 mo. ago and I should be receiving a check for the damages any day now; as soon as that arrives I can start production, since I'd like to put my personal money up front on the job and then collect from you guys as they're shipped out.

What would be the easiest method of payment, Paypal? Or can the foreigners here convert their cash into U.S. currency?

I'm also going to try to have a web page up and ready for hosting possible art by the end of the weekend, be forewarned though that my web design skills are horrible, lol... but hey, as long as it's effective. :)

[patrick]

i personally tyhink that toms shirt is great! i might make that into a tshirt myself but man... a dirty dot org dancer! so good

[froopy seal]

What would be the easiest method of payment, Paypal?

Please, no PayPal! I'd rather pay you in gold.

But why not a simple international bank transfer? I'm always puzzled why American and British sellers on eBay don't accept this easiest of methods (especially as potential fees are generally paid by the buyer, aren't they?).

[lowbit]

But why not a simple international bank transfer? I'm always puzzled why American and British sellers on eBay don't accept this easiest of methods (especially as potential fees are generally paid by the buyer, aren't they?).
Uh...because it involves giving your bank account information out to a stranger?

I'm fine with Paypal, particularly if credit card payments are accepted. (Better than having Paypal mucking directly w/ your checking account.)

[Lou]

now here's a man who knows what he's talking about. i should bring back my old sig.

i was going to suggest we'll have brown shirts? light brown that is ;)

[Future Proof]

Please, no PayPal! I'd rather pay you in gold.

But why not a simple international bank transfer? I'm always puzzled why American and British sellers on eBay don't accept this easiest of methods (especially as potential fees are generally paid by the buyer, aren't they?).

Something tells me that this isn't the easiest available method for all participants.

[bryantm3]

if we use PayPal, i can't do it at all unless i send cash in the mail to y'all. My Paypal account is screwed up, and won't let me register again with the same card.

[King of Snake]

paypal would be fine for me

[stimpee]

Paypal rejected my credit card for some reason. They seem to do it randomly. I've heard NetTeller (https://www.neteller.com) is a good alternative (not used it tho).

[stimpee]

Alternative Dirty shirts:

One (http://www.yduk.freeserve.co.uk/dirty%20youth%20mens.html)
Two (http://www.netwear.de/peanuts/shirt_pig_pen_dirty_gross.gif)
Three (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eastreetbmx/eastreetshop/PRODUITS/WEAR/tee-shirt/corplogotee_lg.jpg)
Four (http://www.propstore.com/showimage.php?pid=6639&iid=23379)
Five (http://www.merch-bot.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=151) (girlie)
Six (http://www.cafepress.com/planetdave_shop) (girlie)
Seven (http://www.blueskin.com/productpages/dirty_mt.htm) (yes look closely)
Eight (http://www.redbuttafly.com/fashion/girliegrrl/gg_gt_dgst.htm) (girlie?)

and this is (http://www.dirtyshirtco.com/services.htm) obviously a great name for a place to get t-shirts :)

[Lou]

uhm, that was my go at it ;)
i'll wait for Future to get a design page up :)

[change]

Paypal sounds peachy. I'm also in favor of having a couple options to purchase. I'm dirty, but brown's not my thang. How about a nice ivory similar to the UW shoes and Tokyo art?

[froopy seal]

Uh...because it involves giving your bank account information out to a stranger?
1. I am also concerned about privacy.

2. Personally, I'd rather reveal my bank details to the average stranger than to eBay/PayPal and the likes. I do understand that we're talking about sensitive information. - And I feel more comfortable with handing it over to you than to unscrupulous mega corps that store and willingly pass on user details.

3. What could a stranger do with the account information? Without passwords, transaction codes etc. the risks shouldn't be any higher than they are anyway.

4. I know this is an intricate topic on which we will probably not find an agreement. Which obviously doesn't stop me from ranting and vigorously making my point.

5. Whoever told you I was paranoid is a liar!

Something tells me that this isn't the easiest available method for all participants.
As is the same with PayPal (see various posts above).

Well, that said, I guess it's the seller's choice how he wants to be paid.

[Future Proof]

Ok. Since we're very early into this process, if there are people that would rather use another method aside from Paypal I will entertain the suggestion, be it another online pay site or a cashier's check from your bank. Do understand however that I won't start printing until I get half of the money for the order, regardless of if I put my money down first or not. Also, I will not take checks in Euros, Rubles, Yen, etc...

March 9th is approaching fast -- I'd better get busy on a page for art hosting! :)

[stimpee]

March 9th is approaching fast -- I'd better get busy on a page for art hosting! :)why is there a deadline? the poll finishes, sure but its taken this long to get this far so why hurry now? im guessing that people will want to see some designs before committing.

[undarrenworld]

The seven looks coolest from these.

[Future Proof]

why is there a deadline? the poll finishes, sure but its taken this long to get this far so why hurry now? im guessing that people will want to see some designs before committing.

Because since we're this far, we should stay committed to moving with expediency. Also, it's important to convey an image of my being able to deliver quality with efficiency because I would like to have continual business with the site and with its guests.

I don't klnow, it's just the businessman in me I guess. :)

[patrick]

can rush art!

or more so the artists... ;)

[Neo Mike]

I'm all for the paypal.

Lets do a couple options of the shirts. I'd love to see a design inspired by the live in tokyo cover.

Ivory shirt,
underworl
:d

Maybe "dirty" on the sleeve or something?

[Jan]

http://www.dirty.org/dirtycentaur.jpg
Who is the artist of that one? When it was the main page of dirty.org i used it as my desktop background because i liked the style.

Are there any requirements for artwork, things that must be there? There must be something 'dirty' on it, i guess?

i'd pay with paypal, btw

[Eikman]

it's by yannick

[Eikman]

and tokyo cover is shite

[votingfloater]

I like the tokyo/riverrun style. But why not do something different for dirty?

[holden]

I like the tokyo/riverrun style. But why not do something different for dirty?
Right! The dirtycentaur frontpage from dirty.org is neat, but it'd look lousy on a teeshirt, imho.

But i'm in agreement with Scott that some of Yannick's tee designs from way-back-when were very graphic and stylish.

If i have some free time, i'll dust off my ol art chops and submit a design, too.

[Dirty0900]

I'd like to see one of Yannicks designs be on the shirt, they were all very good when they were originally put forward.

[Future Proof]

I agree, I'd like to see a Yannick or Scott design get to production but I think that if it wasn't for all of the class acts that came to the site, his art would've been in vain and no one would want a shirt anyways. So we'll see how his stuff comes out.

Speaking of art... please try to, unless it completely hinders your art process, keep your art as vector art as it will be the easiest to work with. Not to deter anyone, but just so people know what's going to be the most friendly way of turning a concept into design... :)

[Pancetta]

And can we have Dirty pants too?

Stimpee will help with the design :)

[Leon]

And can we have Dirty pants too?

Stimpee will help with the design :)

Or you could just shit yourself :)

[Jan]

I've got a design idea.
Just a black shirt, with a big 'dirty.org' written on the front, but with the font used on LBT and P4E (those white bars)
but that may be too easy.:o

link to an old discussion:
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:up3_QBgH2voJ:dirty.org/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D174097+dirtyshirt+site:dirty. org&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=3

[stimpee]

And can we have Dirty pants too?

Stimpee will help with the design :)i got bored:

design1 (http://www.dirty.org/~steve/dirty_underpants.gif) design2 (http://www.dirty.org/~steve/dirty_underpants2.gif) :D

[BeautifulBurnout]

i got bored:

design1 (http://www.dirty.org/%7Esteve/dirty_underpants.gif) design2 (http://www.dirty.org/%7Esteve/dirty_underpants2.gif) :D

Wow!

How could anyone possibly resist a man wearing those?! :eek:

I think Leon's suggestion was better. :p

[stimpee]

Wow!

How could anyone possibly resist a man wearing those?! :eek:

I think Leon's suggestion was better. :pa) who says theyre just for men? ;)
b) I'm sure a woman could be irresistable in them too
c) Why not buy a pair and "follow through" with Leon's suggestion? :D

[BeautifulBurnout]

c) Why not buy a pair and "follow through" with Leon's suggestion? :D

I thought that was your job, seeing as you have been nominated to "design" them. Let me know how you get on. :p

[stimpee]

I go commando.

[BeautifulBurnout]

I go commando.

Oooh! You liar! Come on, put your pants where your mouth is.

Oh.. wait...

:p

[stimpee]

lets party! (http://www.musicman.com/00pic/2794.jpg)

[Lou]

so... what happened? there was such a rush, site would be up by the 9th, and then there was silence ;)

[Scott Warner]

http://www.dirty.org/shirt.jpg

[Leon]

http://www.dirty.org/shirt.jpg


I would really love to have that as a t-shirt.

A Yannick design would be nice too though :p

[Lou]

http://www.dirty.org/shirt.jpg

that looks quite,uhm... dirty to me :D
so when/where can we buy them?

[votingfloater]

http://www.dirty.org/shirt.jpg Nice - I'll buy one for myself and my conjoined twin.;)

(it'sjustajokedon'tshootme)

[Dirty0900]

Im sure my dirtyshirt has faded to a lighter colour of bornw then in the pic!

I once got stopped in an HMV by someone asking where you could buy them.

[Scott Warner]

That was our original "Dirtyshirt Announcement" back in 2001. Tom and Rob are looking a bit BoC right there.

[Lou]

so, why not have these again?