Bungalow with Stairs album

[big screen satellite]

can anyone fill in the track info for me when they get a listen... i believe track 4 is 'lonely bolllock'


track 1 - 11.31
track 2 - 4.56
track 3 - 3.21
track 4 - 3.09
track 5 - 2.11
track 6 - 3.19
track 7 - 2.38
track 8 - 13.43
track 9 - 19.30

all labelled unknown track, from whence i got them...

tis good, mister Rick - make good music...

[Dunwho]

Where did you get this!? Wasnt it only at the exhibition?

[rayray]

hey bss - is this an easily tracked down release that can be downloaded for cash? I seemed to miss the chatter on this one. thanks for any info,

[Spooky Shoes]

Want.

[TheBang]

Leftover copies of the album will be available for sale on the Underworld Shop after the exhibition ends. Limited run, so don't delay on buying it.

[lectoid]

Leftover copies of the album will be available for sale on the Underworld Shop after the exhibition ends. Limited run, so don't delay on buying it.

Any idea on the quantity? Is it going to sell out in minutes?

I figured the limited edition barking album was going to sell out in hours, but it lasted a few weeks (I think, just saw today it was sold out).

[dubman]

"leftover copies"

goddamn it, tokyo 2005 all over again

[joethelion]

"leftover copies"

goddamn it, tokyo 2005 all over again

my sentiments exactly

BOO!!!!

how's about they make cd-r copies available via the shop too...

like there's the "Limited Edition only from the exhibition factory-pressed silver cd" then there's the " 'limited' only available from UWlive webshop copy"

[grady]

"leftover copies"

goddamn it, tokyo 2005 all over again

You beat me to it. That was my initial thought as well with the added shrugging of my shoulders and rolling of the eyes.

[phaseblue]

can anyone fill in the track info for me when they get a listen...

track 1 - Tokyo<>London 1
track 2 - Tokyo<>London 2
track 3 - Tokyo<>London 3
track 4 - Tokyo<>London 4
track 5 - Tokyo<>London 5
track 6 - Tokyo<>London 6
track 7 - Tokyo<>London 7
track 8 - Dreeve
track 9 - (Soundtrack for the film) Van Halen Van Halen


At least that is what is printed as the track listing on the back of the CD box!
Looks like Rick didn`t get around to (creatively) naming a few of these!

[tokyorai]

If there is that much demand here, I don't mind to go back to the Exhibit and see what I can do. I don't know how many copies are left as I only went on the first day and haven't been back since. Indeed it could be Tokyo 2005 all over again....

[testudo]

If there is that much demand here, I don't mind to go back to the Exhibit and see what I can do. I don't know how many copies are left as I only went on the first day and haven't been back since. Indeed it could be Tokyo 2005 all over again....


Please get me one I will pay in any currency... and any amount (within reason) :D

[lectoid]

Please get me one I will pay in any currency... and any amount (within reason) :D

Seconded

[buzzelvis]

]Please get me one I will pay in any currency... and any amount (within reason) :D[/QUOTE]

thirded. let me know the price....

[khouri]

If there is that much demand here, I don't mind to go back to the Exhibit and see what I can do. I don't know how many copies are left as I only went on the first day and haven't been back since. Indeed it could be Tokyo 2005 all over again....

I'll happily PayPal you the cost plus shipping. You would be a hero unto the ages.

[dubman]

Fifth'd

[tokyorai]

I will go there after work (6 hours from now) and reply back to you all with an update...hopefully with good news!

[tokyorai]

Forgot to reply to this: Tracks 1-7 are just labelled as

Tokyo <> London 1
Tokyo <> London 2
Tokyo <> London 3
Tokyo <> London 4
Tokyo <> London 5
Tokyo <> London 6
Tokyo <> London 7

Track 8 is "Dreeve"

Track 9 is "(Soundtrack for the Film) Van Halen Van Halen"

can anyone fill in the track info for me when they get a listen... i believe track 4 is 'lonely bolllock'


track 1 - 11.31
track 2 - 4.56
track 3 - 3.21
track 4 - 3.09
track 5 - 2.11
track 6 - 3.19
track 7 - 2.38
track 8 - 13.43
track 9 - 19.30

all labelled unknown track, from whence i got them...

tis good, mister Rick - make good music...

[TheBang]

Ah, here we go. So that's where all the music is from.

http://www.tomato.co.uk/#tokyolondon-ginza-art-space-tokyo-japan/
http://www.tomato.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/videos/London_Tokyo.mp4

TOKYO<=>LONDON, GINZA ART SPACE, TOKYO. 1997
tomato created an installation on the theme of comparison between tokyo and london.

the result was a space filled with sound, light, words and film that explored six themes from an urban perspective; love, faith, food, money, transport and communication. the exhibition ran for one month and attracted 13,000 visitors.

[Sappys Curry]

This is an album by Rick Smith? I never heard of it until now. Is it good? I'd like to hear this.

[phaseblue]

This is an album by Rick Smith? I never heard of it until now. Is it good? I'd like to hear this.

I think it`s great! Rick really put a lot of time into each track (some of which
he has worked on on and off for 15 years).

I almost want to install a nice Boss sound system in my front room and make
this the BGM for my apartment ;)

[tokyorai]

Hi all, just got back from the exhibit. I've sent private messages to everyone who showed interest. Here are pics of the CDs. I am also including some flyers from the event. Please send me a private message to purchase the CD. The price including shipping is $50.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raiankun

thanks

[charleswise]

If you can get an extras, please let me know. I'd like to buy one as well.

Hi all, just got back from the exhibit. I've sent private messages to everyone who showed interest. Here are pics of the CDs. I am also including some flyers from the event. Please send me a private message to purchase the CD. The price including shipping is $50.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raiankun

thanks

[Banstylin']

I am also interested in acquiring one if you happen to get some extras.

Hi all, just got back from the exhibit. I've sent private messages to everyone who showed interest. Here are pics of the CDs. I am also including some flyers from the event. Please send me a private message to purchase the CD. The price including shipping is $50.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raiankun

thanks

[bazwint]

Yeah, me too please.

[fastone]

rather belatedly - if there is ...... yes please

[Dirty0900]

Me please if possible.

[sockman]

Me too please - PM sent!

[mmm skyscraper]

Ah, here we go. So that's where all the music is from.

http://www.tomato.co.uk/#tokyolondon-ginza-art-space-tokyo-japan/
http://www.tomato.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/videos/London_Tokyo.mp4

TOKYO<=>LONDON, GINZA ART SPACE, TOKYO. 1997
tomato created an installation on the theme of comparison between tokyo and london.

the result was a space filled with sound, light, words and film that explored six themes from an urban perspective; love, faith, food, money, transport and communication. the exhibition ran for one month and attracted 13,000 visitors.

That sample was used in the Peel Session. Not sure if I heard it live elsewhere.

[rayray]

would also love to purchase one - my first black on white post!

[TheBang]

That sample was used in the Peel Session. Not sure if I heard it live elsewhere.
Yup, it's one of the Tokyo<>London tracks on this album. It was also used to open every show of the 2009 tour, and it also appeared on the Tomato 3 CD-ROM.

[phaseblue]

Ah, here we go. So that's where all the music is from.

http://www.tomato.co.uk/#tokyolondon-ginza-art-space-tokyo-japan/
http://www.tomato.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/videos/London_Tokyo.mp4

TOKYO<=>LONDON, GINZA ART SPACE, TOKYO. 1997
tomato created an installation on the theme of comparison between tokyo and london.


I forgot to say thanks for this Todd! Good detective work man ;)

[big screen satellite]

Forgot to reply to this: Tracks 1-7 are just labelled as

Tokyo <> London 1
Tokyo <> London 2
Tokyo <> London 3
Tokyo <> London 4
Tokyo <> London 5
Tokyo <> London 6
Tokyo <> London 7

Track 8 is "Dreeve"

Track 9 is "(Soundtrack for the Film) Van Halen Van Halen"

is track 4 actually 'Lonely Bollock' - it used the words - i just can't rmember the original LB - or has it just been renamed London 4?

[TheBang]

is track 4 actually 'Lonely Bollock' - it used the words - i just can't rmember the original LB - or has it just been renamed London 4?
I think that was only ever a "fan title"

[tokyorai]

Hi all, I will be taking any last requests for a copy. I ran out of the 6 copies I had but will go one more time this weekend to pick up more. Please PM if interested.

Thanks

[rayray]

you are mega mega dirty hero - thanks a ton for taking the time to hook us up

[dubman]

not to say this guy isnt rad for doing this but if anyone sweating over their bank account like i always do:

they're going to be selling leftovers on uwlive once the exhibit is over on sept. 15....

[saintrik]

The big question being if there will be any leftovers once the exhibit is over... No assurances from official channels that there will be enough supply to meet demand on here doesn't really help the matter...

[Dirty0900]

I may wait until it comes on UWlive due to the cost. Going in holiday and the price is a bit high for me at the moment.

[tokyorai]

Hi All. For those who ordered from me, I will be mailing out your package today via First Class mail at the Japan Post Office. I suspect it will take about a week or so to receive your package depending on where you are. Please be patient! :)

[fastone]

Huge thanks to Ryan (tokyorai) for doing this. Safely received today.

+1

fastone

[saintrik]

Huge thanks to Ryan (tokyorai) for doing this. Safely received today.

Received mine as well today. Many thanks, Ryan! And thank you for the exhibition flyer -- a very cool bonus!

[rayray]

thanks ryan - enjoying the bungalow!

[txjaxx]

ok, if it made it to Cali today, hopefully mine will in Texas tomorrow

[tokyorai]

you're welcome! hope you're all happy bullock now! :)

[whatmakesustick]

me too. thanks so much tokyorai!! if karl hyde ever does an exhibition in london and its soundtracked with Bungalow With Stairs 2, you'll be sure to get a copy!

[mat]

Hope there will be some copies on sale at underworldlive.com...

[txjaxx]

Woo-hoo, got mine today! Thanks tokyorai!
I'm equally excited about this as I am about Barking. I never thought I'd get to hear Dreeve again after I heard it at the NYC Art Jam along with the visuals (mmmmm, those visuals.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/20968123@N00/2759168006/in/set-72157606698258299/ )
This is amazing stuff.

[tokyorai]

What do you guys think of the album? I really like it and still listen to it everyday along with a few select tracks from Barking. I think Rick did a great job.

[txjaxx]

Listening to this in one's bed at 3:00 a.m. Is a good thing.

[Sean]

Did I miss this on UWLive, or has it not been made available yet?

[vflow]

Not been available yet.
I hope they don't start selling it this month... I'm out of money.

[bryantm3]

ok i'm sorry but the title 'bungalow with stairs' seems like a joke on oblivion with bells and it makes me laugh.

[the mongoose]

Any samples or full tracks available to listen to yet?

Any word of the leftovers being available for purchase at UWlive.com?

Anyone want to PM me?!?:D

[mat]

Cannot wait for this being available on underworldlive.com...

[charleswise]

Got my disc today!

Thanks tokyorai!

[Lx_Nen]

The flyer from LaForet that came with my 'in the belly of St Paul's' refers to this as "Bungalow with Stairs 1"... and also mentions a book of 'what's going on in your head when you're dancing?' by Karl.

[TheBang]

Yeah, the number 1 is on the cover.

http://www.borndirty.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/443_KarlHyde_03.jpg

I don't think that necessarily guarantees a release of a number 2, but leaves the door open, should Rick feel like it.

The book was a program guide for the exhibit. You can see the cover about halfway down on this page:

http://www.lapnet.jp/event/event_r100825/topics.html

[lowbit]

Any word on whether there'll be copies on sale through underworldlive.com?

[the mongoose]

Yeah, is this going to be available for purchase in any form?:confused:

[dubman]

Yeah, is this going to be available for purchase in any form?:confused:
they've made it p clear that they would. just wait a bit

[txjaxx]

Here's a look at the Karl Hyde exhibit catalog:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5015479454_c27a74d657_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/5014870879_b440050902_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5014870257_c5269f02c8_z.jpg

It's well-made, about the size of a magazine, but heavier stock. I got #219 out of 1000.

[lowbit]

they've made it p clear that they would. just wait a bit
Actually, what they made clear was that any leftovers would be sold through underworldlive.com, which I guess means the question becomes: Were there any leftovers?

[BrotherLovesDub]

Which of the Born Dirty writers/staff have a contact at UW? Can someone ask them about this?

[mat]

Seconded, I really would like to purchase one copy of this album.

[buzzelvis]

Is the catalog available anywhere?

[txjaxx]

Is the catalog available anywhere?

Just from La Foret.

[funkboy3]

[BUMP]

So did anyone ever get any definitive info on this? Or should the silence on the official site be taken as an indication that none were left over?

[baddy2shoos]

I'd also like a copy. How much are you charging? Really wanted to surprise someone with this as a birthday present mid-October.

[industri_studios]

I'd also like a copy. How much are you charging? Really wanted to surprise someone with this as a birthday present mid-October.

No one was "charging" - a friendly Dirt picked some up while the show was on.

Show is over - there may or may not be any left... it's in the hands of the UW organization if any are still around...

[Banstylin']

Just my luck.. a golden opportunity to grab this awesome disc and my copy gets lost in the mail! I think my address is cursed since its happened once before.. I want to thank Tokyorai for being an awesome dirt though, many wouldn't even bother with trying to buy extra copies for other folks.

[Dirty0900]

Any word on UWlive sales at all? If not I'll have to look for a torrent if its gone.

[tokyorai]

I read on another forum that they were selling this at the Osaka concert last night. Not sure if they are new copies or leftovers from the exhibit. I assume the same CD will be on sale at the next 3 events...

[Banstylin']

I would ask you to get this CD for me again if you go to the Ageha show but I'm broke! If my original copy had the wrong delivery address would they try to return it to you? I just can't think how it would get lost.. does someone steal it and then chuck it in the trash if its not what they were expecting? Ahhhh! So much anger.

[whatmakesustick]

Just got the newsletter email from Underworld....it said: "The soundtrack to the exhibition – Rick's first solo album (titled 'Bungalow With Stairs') – was available exclusively to visitors. We've managed to get the gallery to send us over one box of these which will be available on a blink-and-you've-missed-it basis through the site soon."

[potatobroth]

oh man. hope i can snag one.

are these like the ambient tracks from a few of his radio shows so many years back? or do they have beats etc?

[whatmakesustick]

very ambient. a few of the tracks have some beats, but you would find it hard to dance to! come with a nice insert of some of karl hydes paintings.

[lowbit]

Just got the newsletter email from Underworld....
Newsletter email? How did you get signed up for it? I thought I'd already signed up for everything UW-related.

[dubman]

oh no they sent that info out in an email blast, now it might actually be hard to snag one

fuck fuck fuck.

[Spooky Shoes]

Newsletter email? How did you get signed up for it? I thought I'd already signed up for everything UW-related.

Sent yesterday, subject "Scribbles"

[bazwint]

This has got the potential to be a total fuck up. :rolleyes:

[darktrain]

Newsletter email? How did you get signed up for it? I thought I'd already signed up for everything UW-related.

I, too, am confused about the newsletter. I definitely didn't receive anything mentioning Bungalow with Stairs, but did get one this morning that mentioned the Beatport contest and tour dates (LA strangely omitted).

[Lx_Nen]

...blink-and-you've-missed-it...

48 hours on and my eyeballs are hurting!

[Jamiel]

48 hours on and my eyeballs are hurting!

I know what you mean. I think I am wearing out my F5 refresh button reloading the Underworldlive.com shop/music page. I did a bit of a search about Ebay sales of the Tokyo 2005 triple live album, and original CDs of that went for over $350 in 2006, so the touts might be out on this one.

[Dirty0900]

I read it as its coming soon and they'll give some notice.

[lowbit]

Urgh...so apparently there're two different UW newsletter/mailing lists, and I'm not receiving anything from either one? :D

Anyone know how you sign up for these?

[ThingInABook]

i'm recieving OM's newsletter. nothing directly from uwlive tho.

[gingerorb]

The dispatch was sent by http://www.reverbnation.com
At some moment they promoted their account there.

The newsletter
http://www.reverbnation.com/c/fr5/artist_824004?eid=A824004_5873549_27089239&fsc=161ed45d794

[grady]

At this point, with the fear of missing out on a constant refresh of the uw home page, being at work, or unable to order, I'd settle for a digital download. Seems like it would make sense to appease the masses here.

Hopefully some will make it out on the tour and be sold at the merch table too.

But I'm also surprised nothing has appeared in the nefarious online realms of music exchanging with this release. Even with the obscure ones like the Tokyo 3 disc set, they found there way out and about for those who didn't get their hands on one.

[Sean]

At this point, with the fear of missing out on a constant refresh of the uw home page, being at work, or unable to order, I'd settle for a digital download. Seems like it would make sense to appease the masses here.Yes, digital would be absolutely fine. Yet again, here goes Underworld making it an inexcusable pain in the ass to simply exchange my money for the music they make. :mad:

[Jamiel]

http://www.underworldlive.com/shop/musicproduct.asp: F5, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick .......... F5, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick .......... F5, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick ..........

[BrotherLovesDub]

This is definitely the kind of thing that needs to be posted to the forums before hand to let us have a chance at getting a copy. I would hope the UW Shop would only allow 1 per person as well to stop Ebay bastards from gobbling up the stock and making a profit off UW.

[Tendinha]

So???????
What happened????

[dubman]

dont you know what 'soon' means in underworld updates?!

"give us a few months, maybe even a year! you know what, let's not even talk about it anymore it's not happening. what?"

i dont see them not actually doing this but you get the drift. 'soon' means anything

[Jamiel]

Probably nothing until they get back from the U.S. To be fair to the band they have a small number of people who run their stuff, so are not as efficient as a band on a big label, but they are lovely people to deal with. I would much rather things be a little haphazard, but know the team dealing with things care. Still hitting F5 a lot on the Underworld shop though.

[froopy seal]

This is definitely the kind of thing that needs to be posted to the forums before hand to let us have a chance at getting a copy. I would hope the UW Shop would only allow 1 per person as well to stop Ebay bastards from gobbling up the stock and making a profit off UW.I totally support this approach. For exclusively altruistic reasons, obviously. That eBay thing etc. pp.

[Banstylin']

Holy shit this is another disaster from www.uwlive.com......if (http://www.uwlive.com......if) anyone has it in any audio quality whatsoever (pretty) please PM me a copy. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if available for purchase though.:(

I would want a copy as well please... I actually spent $50 dollars for it when tokyorai got copies for the dirts but it got lost in the mail:(

[ThingInABook]

wonder if the lack of updates might be because uwlive crew is on tour right now? i also want the cd, really wanted to ask tokyorai for a copy, but i was jobless at that time. now that i can finally purchase something from the store (a shirt and that cd) none are avaliable.

[Jamiel]

underworldlive.com shop: We are currently updating the shop with our Christmas range We will reopen 6pm (GMT) Friday 19th November We can live in hope.

[Jamiel]

Or maybe they won't open then. 6.10 (GMT) Friday 19th November

[happiness stan]

it'll be no fun without a little suspense building...

[happiness stan]

dang, I need to go out, save me some of the good stuff

[Jamiel]

Got it, it is down as the Karl Hyde exhibition catalogue etc. They must have meant 6.54pm GMT.

[funkboy3]

30 freaking pounds? Plus 10 pounds shipping to the USA? And no option to just buy the CD?
I've been waiting months for this. Was I just totally naive to expect that it would be possible to get the music to me for around $20?

Sorry if I'm being unreasonable. I'm just bummed at the moment.

[darktrain]

Sorry if I'm being unreasonable. I'm just bummed at the moment.

You and me both. :( I cannot justify $65+ for a CD, no matter who it is. Sorry. I dearly love this band and just want to be able to hear their music.

Even the Tokyo 3CD set was cheaper.

[Bargo]

I'm the same as you guys, I got up to the point of paying for the thing in paypal and realized I really can't justify $65-odd dollars for a single CD anymore in my life. :( Those times are well behind me now.

All I'd love is a digital version since the first thing I'd be doing with the cd is ripping it to mp3 and then putting it a box, never to see the light of day until I next move house. It makes no sense to me that they underutilize their shop for digital purchases.

[Jamiel]

I must say that I am really pleased with the set as I wanted the exhibition catalogue too, but it would be nice of they could post the CD as a download at a more reasonable price in the shop too. Maybe it will happen next year, or even before Christmas. I am sure those who bought the package would be happy to have that, and not begrudge the music being more widely available to burn for yourself.............................By the way, returns don't work on my posts, is there some way to get a line return.

[grady]

I'm in a similar state of trepidation regarding this purchase as I really want that CD and the catalog would be nice too. But I too got to the purchase page before not going through with it. It also doesn't help that I'm on an unsecure wifi at an airport.

Maybe I'll change my mind by the time I get home later this evening.

[funkboy3]

Don't get me wrong, I think its fantastic that they're offering the catalog up to people who are interested. Its just frustrating that its an all or nothing offering.

And while I certainly wouldn't turn down the opportunity to buy just files of the album, I was willing (and actually wanting) to pay a premium for a physical CD.

But when it cost me less than $60 to get the whole "Barking" box (including shipping), it seems nonsensical to have to choose to pay $65 or not have the opportunity to even hear "Bungalow".

Oh well...

[darktrain]

It makes no sense to me that they underutilize their shop for digital purchases.

Not only do they under-utilize their own shop, but iTunes, Amazon, and any other digital music seller out there.
Underworld has a vast catalog of music. People would buy this music digitally if it was available. Why isn't it?
I am legitimately curious why R&K or any working band today would choose not to exploit the most widely-used delivery systems to their full extent.

[grady]

But when it cost me less than $60 to get the whole "Barking" box (including shipping), it seems nonsensical to have to choose to pay $65 or not have the opportunity to even hear "Bungalow".

Oh well...
Good point and if you ordered the Barking Box there was also the possibility of getting an art print with your purchase signed by the guys.

[GoatSucker]

Ordered! I really don't understand the negativity here - ok, it's £30 for an uber-limited exhibition book & CD, were all you complainers expecting something for free?

From what I remember, the CD cost around $30 at the exhibition itself, so getting a free book for not much more is great. I get the sentiment that this could be a digital download also, but that really isn't the point - this was a custom soundtrack for people that went to the exhibition in Japan.

UW said they would ship back the leftover CD's and put them in the online shop - which they've now done. There was never any hint that this would be made available digitally - and why would there? It was only ever intended for the exhibition! There seems to be this idea of having a right to every note ever recorded by R&K, which completely misses the intention behind this music.

Here's a suggestion - You could have gone to the exhibition in Japan. Too cheap for that? Well, today is your lucky day as you get to purchase the book & CD bundle. Too cheap for that? How about shutting the fuck up, then. You don't have a right to demand this in whatever format suits you.

[darktrain]

You don't have a right to demand this in whatever format suits you.

No, but we do have the right to ask questions, wonder aloud, make requests, and vent our pleasure and displeasure (preferably without insult:rolleyes:).
If we hadn't been on here asking for ALAF and YDS for years and years the Barking Limited edition may not have happened.
We are fans, vocal and honest.

Kinda the whole point of a forum, no?

[funkboy3]

...[w]ere all you complainers expecting something for free?

No, I was _hoping_ for something in the neighborhood of $20 plus shipping.

From what I remember, the CD cost around $30 at the exhibition itself, so getting a free book for not much more is great.

How is $15 extra dollars (not to mention the $15 for shipping) not much more?
Not to mention, as I'd said above, if it was $30 to get just the CD, I'd at least be in the ballpark of what I'd hoped/expected.

How about shutting the fuck up, then. You don't have a right to demand this in whatever format suits you.
Is that hostility really entirely necessary? First, I don't see anyone demanding anything, just expressing their discontent. Second, some folks (like myself personally) were wanting the physical release and expecting to have to pay a bit of a premium, just not this much. So why go to the trouble of vocally berating people who are ostensibly also fans like you?

[TheBang]

FWIW, the exhibition catalog is pretty nice. They're also individually numbered. Mine is 57/1000.

[dubman]

i think we have a right to think $65 for a CD is pretty bad. i dont care what kind of fan you're supposed to be, options are what's professional here. having the option to either pirate or deal isn't completely reasonable. digital versions please or i'll wait for it to appear on what. goatsucker i dont give a shit what you think i have a right to do, this is still how it's gonna play out.

[purlieu]

Well, like a lot of people at the moment, I don't actually have much spare money lying around, so this will either have to go into "probably wonderful music I won't get the chance to hear" or "music I'll end up downloading a pirate copy of". Neither a favourable option, but there we go.

[Lx_Nen]

I paid up, but .... Ouch!

[ThingInABook]

WHY I CAN'T PAY????? D:!

[GoatSucker]

Ok, so I think I probably lashed out a bit in the previous post - I know we're all happy fans really.. Just got a bit riled from what seemed like ages of reading 'when it going to be available' posts to reading 'ah, it's available, but too damned expensive, I want more..'. Sorry...

For the record, I don't think $65 is generally reasonable to pay for a single CD, but equally, this is something that as far as I can tell was never meant to go further than the exhibition, so to some people that exclusiveness increases it's value.

[potatobroth]

'spensive.

[Tendinha]

Bght it! Bt vry xpnsive inddd ! Arghhhhh !:eek:

[BrotherLovesDub]

Are you people missing the fact that it comes with the exhibition catalog? It will never cost less than it does today, i guarantee you that.

[purlieu]

To be fair, I'm struggling to afford music by my favourite musicians, I definitely can't afford bloody art catalogues. It's not really an incentive to buy it. I'd really like to hear the music though.

[undarrenworld]

Order placed, Im waiting for the number # 872.
Its expensive yes, but I think its worth it.

[txjaxx]

I payed a lot more than this for the CD and the catalog, so you people are getting a deal! Plus the music is excellent, and the catalog is outstanding. I agree it's expensive, but the way I justified it to myself is that it was way cheaper than a plane ticket to Japan. And like I said, the music and art are really really awesome, so you won't be kicking yourself if you drop the cash.

[BrotherLovesDub]

how many people from the forums ordered it already? there are only 14 of the prints. how can we tell if we got one? wait and see?

[negative1]

ordered a couple of copies for me and my brother...
(just like it was for tokyo 3cd)..

you know these are going to show up on ebay for
a LOT more soon.... and after that, it will probably
disappear...

better get it while you can... sure a digital option
would be nice.... but that's up to the band, right?

later
-1

[ThingInABook]

lame. i'm getting an error in paypal and i can't pay for the cd. also lost 4dollars in the process.

SHAKES ANGRY FIST TO THE SKY!

[monochrome]

Prints are separate. The first 14 to email that address and inquire will be eligible to purchase one. I emailed (one of the first 14) and will get a notice of the prices and images once they are ready. Better get on that waiting list!

[the mongoose]

Ordered it! :cool:


(expensive, better be worth it!):eek:

[BrotherLovesDub]

ah, i didn't read properly. i've already ordered so I guess i'm not going to bother with the framed drawing.

[swift]

ordered! paypal worked for me... i was rather astonished to find it in the shop, and still being able to buy it. i checked the shop daily since it was announced they would make it for sale here, but yesterday i came home from the hmh concert too drunk to check, and todat i was stuck in trains for hours due to the general train breakdown thing in the netherlands.

is it expensive? it is not exactly cheap, but gbp 30 for a limited edition cd and a booklet... i haven't checked thoroughly, but it seems most complaints come from the usa. isn't that just a problem of the relatively low dollar and high european currencies? then that's something underworldlive cannot really be blamed for, right?

[negative1]

Ordered it! :cool:


(expensive, better be worth it!):eek:

well , if its not, you can always profit
and resell it !!!!!

you know there's going to always be
a demand for it..

later
-1

[TheBang]

Yup, true. If they only printed 1000 catalogs, I can't imagine that more than 2-3000 CD's were pressed at most. That gives it a lower print run than "Live in Tokyo" (7000 copies). Plan accordingly.

[joethelion]

WOOOO

Ordered mine... although I accidentally wrote "Strett" instead of "Street"

and mail here in Glasgow is... well - incredibly shitty... so here's hoping I get a copy soon!

[khouri]

Ordered mine with no issues -- even got a confirmation email this time!

[the mongoose]

Are these shipping now?

Also, will there be any kind of package tracking or shipping confirmation emails going out this time around?:confused:

[vacant]

Ordered one as well, yeah it was expensive, but I like to be a completeist... it's a collectors item, innit.

v.

[ThingInABook]

still can't order mine. it seems that digitalanimal doesn't check mails on weekends. still getting the same error in paypal.

[Georg.]

I just ordered my copy...
Paypal worked for me (ordered from Germany).
Looking forward to the catalogue and the CD.
Finally!!!!
:)

[Georg.]

It says "Sold Out" now!
I think I was lucky to catch one of the last copies...
:)

[undarrenworld]

It says "Sold Out" now!
I think I was lucky to catch one of the last copies...
:)

It took 2 or 3 days and its sold out. Fans were quick... I ordered yesterday and had the number 872:)

[mark3]

I ordered yesterday and had the number 872

I have #872 too.. :confused:

[vacant]

me too...

[stimpee]

Yup, true. If they only printed 1000 catalogs, I can't imagine that more than 2-3000 CD's were pressed at most. That gives it a lower print run than "Live in Tokyo" (7000 copies). Plan accordingly.Good. That means they might sell some of the CDs without the catalogue. Im sure its very nice (and looks good from the pictures) but €42 for a CD (and a catalogue to an exhibition thats finished that I dont need) is very very expensive no matter how much it cost in Tokyo.

It did have a very strange effect on me however, and made the Japanese imports of all the OWB-era stuff i've been wanting to buy seem a lot cheaper so I bought OWB / The Bells / BoyBoyBoy and Crocodile from cdjapan for €84. Now look what you made me do!

[hypeless]

For what it's worth, I was just able to purchase it, didn't see "Sold Out" anywhere. Here's hoping!

[Dirty0900]

I've just been able to buy it

[klingklang]

Has anyone had a price quote on one of the prints? I know I can't afford one, but I was just curious.

[Georg.]

That's what I get in the shop:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4227/uwsoldout2.jpg

[ThingInABook]

well, thank you, digitalanimal from preventing me from buying bungalow with stairs. also, please, return the 4bucks i lost in the process. lost a whole weekend trying to buy the cd.

anyway, someone bought a spare copy and is willing to sell?

[joethelion]

Has anyone had a price quote on one of the prints? I know I can't afford one, but I was just curious.

I emailed back on... I think it was either Friday or Saturday. 200 pounds -

you get the drawing (framed) the catalogue and the cd...

[industri_studios]

That's not too bad, actually... Hrm...

Can I cancel Christmas for my family and do this instead or is that considered rude? [smirk]

[freezedried]

Odd... managed to apparently buy a copy form home this morning. The listing didn't mention the art at all.

The just checked again from work and I get the same result as the screengrab posted by Georg

[TheBang]

Good. That means they might sell some of the CDs without the catalogue. Im sure its very nice (and looks good from the pictures) but €42 for a CD (and a catalogue to an exhibition thats finished that I dont need) is very very expensive no matter how much it cost in Tokyo.
Of course, the numbers are just speculation on my part. It could be that they only printed 1000 CD's also, and they're all gone now.

[klingklang]

I emailed back on... I think it was either Friday or Saturday. 200 pounds -

you get the drawing (framed) the catalogue and the cd...
Thanks for letting me know the price on that. Wow, that's a lot. But considering the uniqueness of the item (plus getting the catalogue and cd), it makes sense.

[holden]

Just my two cents... worth exactly that:

It's really nice of Underworld to even make this available outside and beyond of the limited duration exhibit. If i were to attend a gallery show, i can definitely forsee paying a similar amount for the art catalog and a media piece, be it DVD, CD, print, otherwise.

That said, how many have heard the CD in its entirety? I'm sure it's amazing, and much as i like to have/collect as much UW as possible, i do think it was a bit pricey for international delivery, but then, it was very limited edition and certainly more of an art piece than a release for mass sale. So, the fact that it's now sold out makes my decision easier to live with, I don't need to have everything i want.
;)
still..would be cool to hear this at some point!

[joethelion]

yea - 30 pounds does seem to be a lot of money

...buuuuutttttt -> you also have to take in consideration the catalogue for the event. Depending on how well it's printed, how big it is (both page size and number of pages), what type of paper, etc etc -> that alone can be anywhere between 10 pounds and 30 just in of itself

[crank]

By the way, I just ordered my copy today. apparently you can still get them ?

[ThingInABook]

well, there were more copies for sale. tried but failed. damn.

[lowbit]

DAMN IT. Travelling for a few days and this goes on sale and is already gone. :P

I just want to listen to (legitimate copies of) the music. Why the hell make it so hard to get??

[purlieu]

Because it was for an art exhibition, therefore music listeners and fans of the musician don't really matter. It's about the art, man.

[jap_]

Woohoo! It's on it way, status: posted. Can't wait!

[//\/\/]

uw: well true fans would go to japan and snap this up when it happens.

[negative1]

DAMN IT. Travelling for a few days and this goes on sale and is already gone. :P

I just want to listen to (legitimate copies of) the music. Why the hell make it so hard to get??


i'm just curious, but what do you mean by hard?

did you subscribe to the thread, because then you would have
been notified by email about replies being made..(hopefully you check your email regularly)...

even if you don't check the forums everyday... you could have still
come across this thread if you were interested in it...

not everyone gets a break anytime something is announced or
released... this was a limited release for an installation in japan,
and we (the fans) were lucky they even had extras to sell..

did you see all the complaints about the price,etc, even after
people knew about it? what do you say to them?

yes, its sad they don't have a large amount of copies or other
methods (right now) to release it..

but are you really going to complain about how hard it was to
get this release? especially when plenty of people didn't have
any problems?

as for going on travel and missing out on things, it happens,
but maybe the next time something is announced you'll have
plenty of time to react and be prepared..

later
-1

[big screen satellite]

jeez, just read through the last few pages of this thread...

here's my opinion...

this album - was and is never going to be available in the 'shops' - it was created to accompany the exhibition - which also had an exclusive catalogue - also only available at the exhibit.

regular CD albums cost £10 / $15 roughly

however its not fair to compare this exclusive package to these prices - and adding postage to the cost does not make the product any more, it is what it is - you live too far away you have to pay the shipping - thats the rules anywhere...whatever you buy... i regularly purchase stuff from the states... its still cheaper if you add the shipping - sometimes ist more but if i want something that I PHYSICALLY CANNOT GET HERE i have to pay for the priviledge

being the former collector of UW items i would have snapped this up regardless of price - its a unique limited edition CD and booklet - which despite what you might think - i believe is probably essential with this purchase (much like the booklet that came with barking)

those of you waiting for the CD without the booklet are not imo getting the full experience of the 'bundle'

some people here are seeing UW as a band who make and sell music in 'hard formats' - they don't - they do much more than that... they are an interactive band who have many projects and outlets

you don't have to buy anything, i don't anymore its too much for me...

that said it doesn't mean i haven't got a 'virtual' copy of this album... i'm still a fan and still want to hear the output, but for me its not about owning a physical item - for many reasons which i've stated previously...

but back in the day £30 would have been a bargain for a super limited edition package...

its available - or was... and only fans will get this beacuse as I opened with its not available anywhere else...

unless you want to wait until is £300 on ebay...

[crank]

what he said.

[ThingInABook]

unless you want to wait until is £300 on ebay...

DON'T SAY THAT D:

anyway, a catalog from an exhibition is recopilation of it. most of them hardly cover all the aspects of an art show < that being said, i hope all the lucky ones who bought the record get their hands on a wonderful catalog, specially coming from tomato.

[purlieu]

that said it doesn't mean i haven't got a 'virtual' copy of this album... i'm still a fan and still want to hear the output

That's it, though, this kind of release actively encourages pirating if anything. I just really hate the limited edition exclusive 'for people with money coming out of their ears only' bollocks releases. Fans ARE going to download the disc and listen to it, so why not offer a digital version through the site or a stripped down CD version. Lots of people in this thread alone have said they'd buy it. There's no option, though. There's no stripped down version, there's nothing for people who are struggling, financially (and there are a lot of us about at the moment) or people who were away for a few days. I just think it's a shame, really, as they could provide a nice version of it for cheaper, a thousand more copies in a slimline jewelcase with a link to some images from the gallery online would cost them a few hundred pounds. Sell them for a fiver a pop and they've made a few thousand profit, fans have got a physical copy of a potentially excellent disc... I dunno, that option just seems to benefit everyone.

[negative1]

That's it, though, this kind of release actively encourages pirating if anything..

well, it depends on whether or not you consider this
a normal 'release'... obviously it's not a purely commercial one...
so why would it be promoted or distributed the way
any of their other normal ones were?

how many of these were?
==================
http://bigscreensatellite.com/otherstuff.htm

do you think the anti-rom was a release? how many
people ended up getting that? or the playstation 2 project?

how much do you think that would have gone for, and how
much of an appeal did they have?

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?

later
-1

[lowbit]

i'm just curious, but what do you mean by hard?
I'm honestly not even sure how to begin to reply to this; the viewpoint presented in your post seems so detached from (at least what I understand as) the normal everyday world, it's left me more or less speechless.

[negative1]

I'm honestly not even sure how to begin to reply to this; the viewpoint presented in your post seems so detached from (at least what I understand as) the normal everyday world, it's left me more or less speechless.

if you want me to restate my points in a briefer manner..

i meant, did you really think it was that hard to find
this release? or any information about it?

i don't see too many other people that did..

i don't check the boards everyday, in fact i've been off
the boards for several months now, and i had no problem
finding out about the release and getting a few copies of it...

if you had subscribed to the thread, or checked the board
you would have known about it..

if you had the bad luck of not knowing about it, and totally
missing out, then that's a different story..

all i'm trying to say is that you could have avoided this
situation with a little more effort on your part to use
the features on this board..

later
-1

[lowbit]

I was checking the board (this forum and thread in particular) virtually every day ever since learning about the Bungalow with Stairs disc back in September. I've had a browser window open on my desktop specifically for that purpose for the last two months. Unfortunately the first time I was unable to check the thread for a couple of days because I was traveling was apparently exactly when they decided to finally make the disc available.

But that's not really the point. This is a compact disc. They can press as many copies as they like, for minimal incremental cost. They can even go back and do another run, if it looks like their original assessment of interest was off. There are entire companies that exist primarily to provide that service inexpensively. Or if even that minimal incremental cost is too much, they could have put the disc up for sale in purely digital form, for virtually no incremental cost.

Any of those solutions would allow those of us interested in hearing the music (not owning some rare collectible – hearing and enjoying the music) to give them money for the privilege of doing so, to compensate them and support their art. Instead they chose to offer only a few copies that were left over from the show, leaving those who want to listen to the music and weren't lucky enough to be monitoring the site or the forums at the right time with no legitimate path to do so.

That's what I mean by making it so hard to get. It's ridiculous. And completely unnecessary.

[froopy seal]

http://bigscreensatellite.com/otherstuff.htm

do you think the anti-rom was a release? how many
people ended up getting that? or the playstation 2 project?Now were do I get those for five quid? ;)

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?Maybe the generosity of the band is even counterproductive, in combination with the 'digital age of music': Fans, and other customers, are under the impression that they can buy every release from an online shop for a reasonable price. Hence, everyone gets anything he wants, immediately, and infinitely so due to the infinite reproducibility of digital media.

We've all been spoiled and the film and music industries are still figuring out how to tap that new sense of ubiquitousness...

[GoatSucker]

Any of those solutions would allow those of us interested in hearing the music (not owning some rare collectible – hearing and enjoying the music) to give them money for the privilege of doing so, to compensate them and support their art.

At the risk of reiterating what I mentioned before, this isn't a commercial release. It's not the new Underworld album. This music was released at a certain time and place and had a single objective - to accompany the exhibition. There is no intention to make money from it (other than selling left overs that already exist, and I don't believe there can be any profit made there). Perhaps R&K are doing fine without your money for this? If you want to give them some money, buy one of their commercial releases. Every minute spent sorting out represses or digital downloads takes away time from new, more interesting projects.

Imagine how dull life would be if everytime you created something, you had to stop and think how you could make it available for money. It takes the joy out of doing spontaneous, one-off projects and moving on.

[purlieu]

well, it depends on whether or not you consider this
a normal 'release'... obviously it's not a purely commercial one...
so why would it be promoted or distributed the way
any of their other normal ones were?

how many of these were?
I'm not asking for a 'normal' release, I'm asking for them to press up a thousand copies or so and sell them. Honestly, it'd cost them about £500. Or, as others have said, offer a digital version for sale.
this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?
The fact that the person who wants it to number of copies available ratio is much higher? The only stuff I download pirate copies of is out of print material, and I dare say it's the same for a lot of fans of my age and older (who, given their time together as a band, are probably a considerable proportion of UW's hardcore fanbase). The fewer copies you make available of a release, the more it encourages pirating.
if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...
The options are: be one of the few who can purchase the release, download it illegally, or don't hear the music. They know they have more fans interested in their music than they had discs for sale, so they're either encouraging us to pirate it, or don't care if we hear it or not. I'd rather think the former, to be honest.
they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?
I do, but I don't think it compensates for making some material difficult to get ahold of. Whether you think the logistics of purchasing the album were hard or not, the limited nature and price of the release mean a fair number of people will miss out. A few mp3s and videos of outtakes and demos is a nice treat, but if the cost is an expensive, extremely limited run of an album people are desperate to hear, then I'd rather not bother.

Anyway, ins and outs aside, the simple fact is: they had two options of making this available to a lot of fans, and they didn't take either, simply choosing a limited, exclusive 'people who can afford to pay a lot of money only' route.
Fans: hey, lots of us want to buy this, can we?
Underworld: no, you're not rich enough, fuck off.

[big screen satellite]

i think you may be missing -1's point...

this is a limited release... its NOT available commercially

it was only available at the exhibition - a bonus for those who attended - it didn't sell out so they made what was left available... when that lot runs out thats IT.

i used to collect KLF records way back and some of their releases were really scarce... what i would have done for an extra 1000 copies to be made of a 12" or CD, but no, they stopped at the production run and that was it - a couple of releases they did odd number copies of, which would have been more counter productive and cost effective if they rounded it up to 500 or 1000 copies, but thats the point... they didn't want to.

now i know in the digital age we want downloads, but the beauty of this item is that its something that you could have taken away from the exhibit, with a catalogue as a momento of your visit... its just lucky that we get the chance to buy any leftovers...its annoying it was in Japan, but its also annoying for me when Star Wars do exclusive weekends at Disneyland and the exclusive only stuff is sold in the US - which i then have to source elsewhere at twice the cost...unfortunatley just because the 1001st fan wants a copy of a record / action figure whatever doesn't mean that the band / manufacturer will or want to knock off extra copies...

i'm always pissed off if i miss getting hold of something even if its just a digital copy, but i somehow seem to manage to track it down one way or another... i know its wrong, but for UW (and i'm not condoning this wholeheattedly) this release is not commercially available and therefore is not out there to make money, so is more or less open to borrowing from the internet ;)


i know they could make more or make it digital, but why would they... they had 180 tracks in the bin for the last few years but these aren't available either... we all have wish lists but thats the beauty (or not) of following bands like UW, its easier now in the 2010's than it was in the 1990's

i know shouting does work, and it may be that in time a copy becomes availble online uw shop, but until then i think we have to accept that this is it. UW are not making it difficult, they made it simple, unfortunatley you had to be in Japan.

[purlieu]

Yeah, I do understand all of that, I just think it's bullshit, really.
I'm a musician, I recently released a very limited run CDr. I don't have a large or strong fanbase, certainly, but once the last copy had sold out I put it online for anybody else to hear. Everybody has their own perspectives on it, and I'm not saying that Underworld 'should' do one thing, especially if the album was intended for the exhibition (although I'm sure I read that there are previously heard sections of this disc? Which would suggest that it wasn't entirely composed for the exhibition - correct me if I'm wrong), but my perspective is: if you're going to share your art, then share it. Don't make it only available for an exclusive group of people who can attend an exhibition in Japan, or happen to be online with a spare wad of cash for a particular few days. Don't make it a competition as to who can get it and who can't.

This isn't the 180 tracks they haven't released, because - one way or another - they haven't felt the time is right to release those. I respect that. I don't respect making it available to some and then simply closing the door on everyone else. And sadly, for anyone not living in Japan, the difference between the two groups seems to be financial (can't afford to get to Japan or pay the extortionate CD price? No music for you, m'laddo).

[potatobroth]

<< I'm a musician, I recently released a very limited run CDr. I don't have a large or strong fanbase, certainly, but once the last copy had sold out I put it online for anybody else to hear. >>

Well how is that fair to the people who spent the money on your album? Aren't you just encouraging people to not pay for your next release? I'd certainly be questioning why I just spent $$ when it was available a month later for free.

[purlieu]

Because it was available as a mid-quality mp3 without the hand-made packaging, and the disc was sold at a low price. I'm not saying it's a model that's necessarily perfect for Underworld, but it highlights my perspective that music shouldn't just be for those who can afford it at the right time. The packaging made it collectable, which was an enjoyable project, but the music is art and I don't want the enjoyment of it to be part of some exclusive little club.

[ultradave]

http://www.underworldlive.com/shop/merchproduct.asp?ArID=1&AID=872

Click Now... limited availability for sure - but I just ordered mine! YEAH!!!!! :D :eek: :D

[lowbit]

For anyone reading who still wants to purchase one: There are more copies available on underworldlive.com right now, BTW.

(Yeah, I ordered one. And yeah, I still think it's ridiculous to not make the music more readily available.)

[TheBang]

Well, after all that, I'm glad lowbit was able to get his copy.

[BrotherLovesDub]

so tempted to order another copy...

[lowbit]

Thanks TB. Since most of my favorite UW tracks tend toward the ambient/atmospheric side, I'm very much looking forward to hearing this disc!

[Lx_Nen]

Mine has arrived... and been hidden away until 25th Dec!

[crank]

mine's on the way. stoked for this. I'm really interested in the gallery book

[gaborez]

Mine arrived this week - had to pick it up from the post office this mornin'. Not listened yet. It's got Van Halen Van Halen Soundtrack too. :)

[joethelion]

grumble... still waiting for my copy...

I got an email the other day... hopefully it'll come by Monday!

[the mongoose]

Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


I got an email saying that it was "posted" a few days back though...:)

[joethelion]

well - I got a message mine was posted three days ago...

still haven't gotten it

and I'm in Glasgow!!!!

grumble grumble grumble...

[industri_studios]

Did anyone ever get images of the pencil drawings for sale? I asked, was told they'd be coming, and never saw a list... shame... Hrm.

[TheBang]

They're the ones here that are done on hotel stationery, like Moscow Drawing and Hong Kong Drawing. I believe also some of the sketches at the bottom of the list:

http://www.underworldlive.com/art/galleryart.asp?artist=Karl%20Hyde&year=2009

[Flywaver]

Got mine today.Ive had a listen. Sounds to me its all Experimental. Its a mixture of Riverrun and plenty of The voiceover of Im Lonely Bollock.. Off the relentless legs Moaner mix

[joethelion]

Did anyone ever get images of the pencil drawings for sale? I asked, was told they'd be coming, and never saw a list... shame... Hrm.

i asked too

but never got the email either...

[vacant]

still waiting for mine in the big smoke...

[twicezero]

Got mine on friday in London... I'm sure tho others will appear soon...

Yeah, as expected its more out there than yur usual album. I can hear some patterns and shapes from the riverruns and some of the vocal snippets have turned up at live gigs. I can find some of the end bits of 'Tokyo < > London 7' in 'Something Like a Mama' from the Blue Mountain live jams, but I'm sure they've turned up somewhere else too..

[Dirty0900]

Got three seperate posted confirmation forms. Still ain't arrived.

[Georg.]

Got mine today in Germany!!
That was fast...
Nice package with the CD & catalogue.
Thank you, Underworld!
I am happy now...
:)

[Jamiel]

My girlfriend had her copy delivered on Friday (recorded delivery), but no sign of mine so far. Both ordered at the same time to the same address. Perhaps they were sorted alphabetically, she is a C, me an L. I have little faith in the local sorting office though.

[mark3]

Received here in Denmark too - thanks to the postman for delivering despite ½ meter of snow (and thanks Underworld).

[vacant]

I've got a 'we can't deliver your package' card from the postie, so I imagine mine is in the post office somewhere. pissed off I can't get down there to pick it up until Thursday.

[Jamiel]

It arrived today, hand written address, so quite likely that they were working down a list alphabetically. Track 1 was on the Peel session in 2003, not got any further yet.

[joethelion]

Mine came last night!!!!!!!

so happy - haven't had a chance to reeeeaaaaalllllyyy listen to it - just kinda skimmed around
seems quite good.

yea - it's not an "album" but it's an enjoyable experience

totally makes sense why it wasn't released beyond the show / UWlive

[philth]

Got mine yesterday too. Had a listen to the CD last night and really liked it.

[Jamiel]

I love this album, I always wanted an ambient album by Underworld and this is it. Probably my album of the year, I like it far more than 'Barking' which I didn't feel sounded like Underworld at all.

[crank]

Interesting perspective based on the complaints and the dust up that originally cropped up here on the limited availability of the release:
http://pitchfork.com/news/40867-jack-white-fights-with-whining-fans/

crank

[BrotherLovesDub]

Great link. Really appreciated his comments. I completely agree and don't blame him for putting the records on ebay to auction them. Many people bought extra copies of Bungalow to 'flip' on eBay. I was very tempted to do it myself. I know this happens with St. Etienne fan club stuff too but I only ever order 1 copy of that for myself even though I know I can make hundreds if I buy a few, hold them for a year and then sell on eBay. Basically, Underworld gave us exactly what we wanted but lots of people felt like bitching about it anyway. It's always the same. Someone is going to be pissed and cry about how unfair it is or whatever.

[khouri]

Has anybody in the US received theirs yet? (It'd be helpful if you posted where you are instead of just "Got mine!')

[lowbit]

Underworld may have given you exactly what you wanted, but that's not the case for me or (I think) a fair number of other people here.

What Jack White and that Pitchfork piece fail to address is why we should "desire them, hunt to find them, etc". Are they creating work for fans to listen to or collectors to fawn over? If it's actually about the music (as so many artists claim), shouldn't the aim be to get it into the hands of everyone who wants to listen to it? If it's actually about creating "collectibles", then they should stop dissembling and admit that that's why they release limited hard-to-get versions of items that could just as easily be mass produced.

Of course sometimes artists are interested in serving both groups, and for Jack White and Third Man's The White Stripes that seems to be the case: this reissue contains no music that isn't available elsewhere. Unfortunately that isn't the case with Bungalow with Stairs and so many other releases.

IMHO more artists should be paying attention to and following the path that Trent Reznor and a few others are blazing, aggressively taking advantage of the latest infrastructure and technology to make their work available to fans at reasonable prices and head off profiteering. It does require some extra care and occasional concessions on distribution methods, but the end result is fans getting more of what they love and artists getting a much greater share of the money spent – a win/win for everyone (except the leeches scalpers, I guess :)).

[BrotherLovesDub]

Rick and Karl made the items they wanted to represent the art they created in exactly the way they wanted. You have a choice to buy it or not. Either buy it or don't buy it but don't bitch because it wasn't released in exactly the format you want for the price you think is fair. It's not your art, it's not your call. Buy it or don't buy it. It's an easy choice.

[lowbit]

Er...by the same token, it's your choice whether or not to read our posts, so you may want to consider not bitching about how you don't like hearing about how we're unhappy with the way that some of the music is being released. :D ;)

[txjaxx]

What Jack White and that Pitchfork piece fail to address is why we should "desire them, hunt to find them, etc". Are they creating work for fans to listen to or collectors to fawn over?

Um, Jack White did address the why.

"we do it because by being a member you're supposedly making a statement that you're a real fan who wants the music, and to be involved in collecting rare and interesting vinyl."

So, move on. Next topic. I mean, did you not order the CD against which you are (still, STILL) so vehemently raving? Yawn. You're boring dah-ling, boring!

You know what's not boring? This CD. It's great. I'm glad it was released. I'm glad I bought it.

[lowbit]

Um, Jack White did address the why.
"we do it because by being a member you're supposedly making a statement that you're a real fan who wants the music, and to be involved in collecting rare and interesting vinyl."

So, move on. Next topic. I mean, did you not order the CD against which you are (still, STILL) so vehemently raving?
You may want to read the article again. The above quote is about why they have their "Vault" program, not about why they put out the ultra-limited release.

As I said above, if you don't want to hear about it, don't read the posts. Feel free to move on to another topic – I'm certainly not stopping you.

[joethelion]

well - the difference between the Jack White thing and us...

Is that (at least to me) -> The whole "White Stripes deal" was all about having a physical copy of a "collectable" version of a previously issued album. It's just their first album folks, you can get it on amazon, cd shops, etc etc (although not in a "super shiny package")

but what people here were bitching about - stop me if I'm wrong - was more about not having the ability to obtain the actual CONTENT. At least I know all I wanted (until the album was available for sale) was a mp3/wav/aac download (following in line of say, Trent Reznor/ NIN)

and don't people have to PAY for the "Vault Program"????

Also - Jack White is cool and all... but I mean I just don't "get it" sometimes

[froopy seal]

IMHO more artists should be paying attention to and following the path that Trent Reznor and a few others are blazing, aggressively taking advantage of the latest infrastructure and technology to make their work available to fans at reasonable prices and head off profiteering. It does require some extra care and occasional concessions on distribution methods, but the end result is fans getting more of what they love and artists getting a much greater share of the money spent – a win/win for everyone (except the leeches scalpers, I guess :)).As much as I respect Reznor's progressive approach, to me digital-only releases still aren't as valuable, as significant, as 'beautiful' as physical copies. Even if they comprise tons of additional photos and stuff. That's why I'm hardly ever psyched by an Underworld release if it's digital-only.

With this opinion, I'm probably part of the analogue dinosaurs who will die out, by the by. But I have a feeling that there's still a decent share of music-lovers out there who think along the same lines, and who value CD + artwork over instant availability.

I love that Underworld take an effort in producing quality physical releases, whilst accepting that they have to go with the flow of the great digital data stream. And, of course, I prefer being able to purchase a Bungalow download instead of not having it at all.

[negative1]

As much as I respect Reznor's progressive approach, to me digital-only releases still aren't as valuable, as significant, as 'beautiful' as physical copies. Even if they comprise tons of additional photos and stuff. That's why I'm hardly ever psyched by an Underworld release if it's digital-only.

what did you thnk of the riverrun project then?

to me, that was some of the best work that they have done..

(although some of the tracks were available on vinyl), it was
mostly a digital release...

i think it was very significant when you look at their long list
of releases..


With this opinion, I'm probably part of the analogue dinosaurs who will die out, by the by. But I have a feeling that there's still a decent share of music-lovers out there who think along the same lines, and who value CD + artwork over instant availability.

analog's not going anywhere... in fact, there's been a resurgence of vinyl if anything..
i've seen more underworld vinyl (and from other groups)..in the last decade,
compared to the first that they've been making music... and it's a LOT EASIER
to find now too...

just to be picky, if you're only referring to CD's, i classify those as digital medium
also..

maybe you were referring to just a physical release? but why limit it to CD's only?

later
-1

[purlieu]

Basically, Underworld gave us exactly what we wanted but lots of people felt like bitching about it anyway.

I wanted to buy some music for a reasonable price. I don't have £30 to spend on an album at the moment. There's a massive economic crisis in the world and some of us are out of work. By the time I'll have that sort of money there'll be no chance of getting one other than for a ridiculous price on eBay. That's not what I wanted. Congratulations to you and other people for having £35+ at zero notice to have an album shipped to you, not everyone has that. That the availability of music relies on having that sort of financial situation is pretty disgusting.
It's their art, they can do what they want with it, definitely, but that doesn't make them immune to criticism, especially when the availability of their 'art' boils down to favouring those with more money. It's exploitative, it's elitist and it's really quite depressing.

edit: also, I find it kind of hilarious that in the day of independent labels selling records for a fiver and high street retailers and Amazon selling a reasonable proportion of their products for less than a tenner, Underworld are "clearing through some leftover stock" at £30 a pop and people are genuinely calling it artistic reasoning. These discs did not cost more than 50p to make each, and unless each catalogue cost them £20, they're raking in the profit.

[ThingInABook]

there are more copies up for sale and this is the point where i ask for some help:

anyone can buy me a copy? i don't know what the hell is going on with uwlive's store. i still can't pay with paypal and i'm getting the same error everytime ("Paypal does not allow your country of residence to ship to the country you wish to"). the shipping to chile is 9.38quid, making a grand total of 39.83. let's round it to 40quid.

please PM. i've already tried it all: mailing digitalanimal, sending messages to andy, posting angry messages in paypal... nothing has worked :(

EDIT: thanks everyone for reading, mr TheBang is helping me out right now :D

[lemonjelly]

there are more copies up for sale and this is the point where i ask for some help:

anyone can buy me a copy? i don't know what the hell is going on with uwlive's store. i still can't pay with paypal and i'm getting the same error everytime ("Paypal does not allow your country of residence to ship to the country you wish to"). the shipping to chile is 9.38quid, making a grand total of 39.83. let's round it to 40quid.

please PM. i've already tried it all: mailing digitalanimal, sending messages to andy, posting angry messages in paypal... nothing has worked :(

EDIT: thanks everyone for reading, mr TheBang is helping me out right now :D

I think the problem is a uwlive/paypal interface type problem. I'm in the UK, & first the catalogue/cd was there last friday, I went home form work forgetting to order it, came back monday - sold out. Tried that afternoon (lord knows why) back in stock! Tried to buy, got a funny paypal message. Emailed sales@underworldlive.com & got an exceedingly helpful reply.

Someone at uwlive kindly drew up a manual receipt, & I have paid & now will wait quite eagerly every day, rushing home from work in the vain hope it has arrived.

Yes £30 is a lot. However I know how hard I work for my £, & I decided that the effort to get £30 is worth what I hope will be a lovely item.

Now I'm off to research the liveherenow recordings....

[ThingInABook]

I think the problem is a uwlive/paypal interface type problem.

yeah, i thought it could be something like that. did some research (lol google) and it has to do with a paypal API problem. since it gets sold out quickly i asked for help from someone here (TheBang bought a copy for me - and my paypal is actually working, we did a test already, i just need to pay him ;) )

but i still want some things from the store... i will email sales instead. thanks for the advice :)

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

As much as I respect Reznor's progressive approach, to me digital-only releases still aren't as valuable, as significant, as 'beautiful' as physical copies. Even if they comprise tons of additional photos and stuff. That's why I'm hardly ever psyched by an Underworld release if it's digital-only.

With this opinion, I'm probably part of the analogue dinosaurs who will die out, by the by. But I have a feeling that there's still a decent share of music-lovers out there who think along the same lines, and who value CD + artwork over instant availability.

I love that Underworld take an effort in producing quality physical releases, whilst accepting that they have to go with the flow of the great digital data stream. And, of course, I prefer being able to purchase a Bungalow download instead of not having it at all.

I understand that. But honestly I wonder why stuff like this is not released digitally. You can still have a physical copy, just give me the option to pay whatever to download it. I don't want an answer of "this is the way they choose to release their art", I want to know why. I respect that if they only want it on disc but this is just music for an installation, I don't really understand keeping that physical from an artistic perspective. I don't know if they necessarily lose anything by releasing it in mp3 form.

Right now the price with postage is $62. As much as I love UW that's just a really steep price for something that is not even really an album proper. I'd gladly fork over $20 or maybe more for a digital copy. If they don't offer it I'll probably just torrent it like the Live in Tokyo set that I so desperately wanted on CD. When the Riverruns came out, I was really happy with that and was hoping for the beginning of something big. It's hard to believe that five years later they are still releasing stuff on very expensive and limited discs. I don't want to whine about it, I'm just curious as to why they are doing it this way. Maybe a digital release will come along next week and I'll just shut my trap. Who knows.

[lemonjelly]

yeah, i thought it could be something like that. did some research (lol google) and it has to do with a paypal API problem. since it gets sold out quickly i asked for help from someone here (TheBang bought a copy for me - and my paypal is actually working, we did a test already, i just need to pay him ;) )

but i still want some things from the store... i will email sales instead. thanks for the advice :)

I'll be honest, I was waffling. I know little about pc's, & less about the web. In example, I still cannot fathom what rtsr is, or where it is...:confused: But I read about it & get interested.

I tried making a purchase, & got some wierd message from paypal. As the cd does sell out quick, I emailed in a vain hope. It took a day for uwlive to get back to me, but can't complain at all with their reply & service.

However this also suggests that some more catalogues/cd's still remain.

[lowbit]

As much as I respect Reznor's progressive approach, to me digital-only releases still aren't as valuable, as significant, as 'beautiful' as physical copies. Even if they comprise tons of additional photos and stuff. That's why I'm hardly ever psyched by an Underworld release if it's digital-only.
I really loved Riverrun, but I'm with you on wanting a physical release – digital just doesn't have the same feel (uh...literally, I guess :)) and brings with it its own unique set of problems.

However I wasn't just talking about Reznor's digital output; he's also been building and fine-tuning mechanism for getting concert tickets and physical media to fans while discouraging profiteering, and from all appearances they seem to be working. Even if you're not at all a NIN fan (and I'm not sure I am any more), it's worth keep an occasional eye on what he's up to, if only to see some examples of what the music industry can be doing right with technology and the Internet.

[the mongoose]

more copies are now available for purchase in the store ;)

[BrotherLovesDub]

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[DaddyAdv]

Got my copy a few days ago,
had a quick listen and liked it. :)

[Dirty0900]

Very nice package and music. Price is just about right imo.

[purlieu]

I have more money than you, hahahahahahahahaha.

End of conversation here.

Back to people who are willing to enter into an actual discussion, can anyone describe the catalogue? Is it worth the £30 along with the disc? Is it on special paper, or is it like a magazine? How many pages? Obviously the lack of anybody actually mentioning it so far shows how essential it actually is (and how the band have yet again misjudged what fans actually want), but I'm curious whether it's worth the cash or if the whole thing is a massive pocket filler for the band.

I'd agree with the comments re: Trent Reznor, he actually seems to care about getting music to his fans in all ways, catering for collectors but also making sure that people who aren't able to fork out a hefty amount of money get the same musical content. It's hard not to respect what he does, which is something I can't say for what's happening in the UWLive camp these days, and that's a shame. Underworld are one of my absolute favourite bands, and I'd really like a copy of Bungalow With Stairs, because from all reports it seems like the kind of album I'd really enjoy. However, given the ridiculous price, I and many others cannot afford to buy it, and that is nothing more than letting fans down, which is shoddy behaviour.

When they did the Riverruns, it seemed like they were taking advantage of new media, but with all the criticisms of this, how the singles have been packaged and spread out over various sites, having to pay to remix Bird 1 (there's another lesson they could take from Reznor) and the whole Barking Deluxe box fiasco, they really seem like they're fumbling around in the dark. I hope they've been reading the board over the past few months, because if nothing else they might be able to learn something from all the fans they've pissed off.

[BrotherLovesDub]

So goods should be priced according to your budget? I'll alert the world markets.

[purlieu]

So goods should be priced according to your budget?
Depends on the goods. CDs shouldn't be priced at £30 and art shouldn't be priced above the level which its appreciators can afford.

[ThingInABook]

So goods should be priced according to your budget? I'll alert the world markets.

*cough*in rainbows*wheeze*

it's a cd with a catalog - 30quid are about 27.000 chilean pesos, which is the price of a deluxe edition cd here. and is what i pay around here when i get fancy cds here (i paid 20.000 for OwB 2cd edition). i can't i and i won't complain.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

So goods should be priced according to your budget? I'll alert the world markets.

YES. How else should they be priced? Outside of your budget? According to the cost of manufacturing? Obviously they have the right to price it however they choose, and we have the right to gripe about it when we could order all six of UW's studio albums for about the same price.

I just wonder why this (and the second disc of Barking) aren't available as a download if they are going to be released as a limited edition. Even if they plan to do it three months down the road, whatever. I seriously question why anyone would put out a limited edition anything when putting it online assured that it's available to anyone at any time at an even bigger profit margin. Do artists get off on the idea of having something limited? I'm not even trying to complain or be critical, I'm seriously wondering if they just willingly decided to only let a certain number of people have it. Or is it just more profitable this way? I'm just curious.

[BrotherLovesDub]

art shouldn't be priced above the level which its appreciators can afford.

I'll see if I can purchase a Rothko for $100. That's all I could afford to pay for one, but i'd love to have it.

You can't be serious. Just look at what you're saying.

[purlieu]

That would be a fair comparison if there was only one copy of Bungalow With Stairs.

As for 'shut the fuck up', do you really dislike it when people speak out against things they don't like? I'm making a big deal about it because I'm hoping the band might read and maybe they'll realise people are pissed off and next time something like this happens maybe they might think "there are loyal fans out there who can't afford to buy our music" and put a sensible price on the CD. Nothing changes if you just accept stuff, and obviously there are quite a few people who think the band are being unfair here. Maybe you should shut the fuck up and listen to the album instead? Must be more enjoyable than listening to poor people whinge about not being able to afford luxuries like art.

[stimpee]

Since when is this art? Its a catalogue and a CD... for an art exhibition. I havent bought it because I just want the CD and not the catalogue, which would no doubt gather dust after a brief flick through.

*cough*in rainbows*wheeze*
it's a cd with a catalog - 30quid are about 27.000 chilean pesos, which is the price of a deluxe edition cd here. and is what i pay around here when i get fancy cds here (i paid 20.000 for OwB 2cd edition). i can't i and i won't complain.In Rainbows was a double CD and double vinyl box set of new music. Different product. And BwS is not 30quid. To Chile, its 40quid which is about 30,000 pesos. I guess some people dont see it as value for money and see it as fleecing the fans. I also think its a fair request to release just the CD in the future, though the people here who've paid through the nose for the catalogue+CD might feel a bit pissed off if/when that happens.

This is great for the people that can afford it and shit for those who cant.

[funkboy3]

So I'd like to start this post by apologizing for inadvertantly starting this storm of activity. I looked back and I believe I'm the first person to "complain" about the price.
The funny thing is, I never meant to really be complaining, but rather venting my personal frustrations at the overall situation.

I completely see both sides of the argument here. I can definitely respect an artists right to package and distribute their art however they see fit. As a matter of fact, that's part of what I find appealing about "bands" like Underworld (and perhaps in the old days New Order, OMD, etc). Exciting sleeves, experimental ideas, different delivery methods. These are all things I like and I'm really fine at the end of the day with artists limitting the method in which they release their work. Perhaps Messrs Hyde and Smith feel that "Bungalow" doesn't exist without "Dancing" and/or vice versa. I get that, I really do.

On the other hand, as a fan of Underworld's, I have a desire to experience as much of what they create as I possibly can. But the realities of the world restrict my access to said art sometimes. I couldn't just fly off to London to see the iTunes fest Roundhose gig. I had previous engagements that prevented me from making the short trek to San Francisco to hear UW in my neck of the woods. And, I couldn't afford the cost of flying to Tokyo to see Karl paint and hear/buy "Bungalow" at the actual event. So, I make due with what I can access when/if I can afford it.

So, in the specific case of the "Bungalow" release, all I was attempting to say when I triggered this whole thing off was: I'm bummed that my situation won't allow me to hear it. That came from the fact that I initially thought I'd never get a chance to hear it (since it was originally only going to be played/sold at the "Dancing" exhibition). Then I heard that they were going to sell the left overs, so I got hopeful. Then when it was released and I knew it was out of my price range, I got bummed. In particular, I was (and am) bummed that to have access to the music, I have to buy a catalog to an exhibit/event that I didn't go to. I'm sure its lovely, and I find Karl's art interesting. But, not having access to the one without the other is something I find personally frustrating as I could probably justify the price of one without the other. (Obviously, my place physically (the USofA) makes this even more difficult with the exchange rate.) As an additional aside: for the longest time, all the various channels (the "official" email newsletter included) said that the album was going to be offered up. So, all along I had it in my head that we'd see "Bungalow" released by itself, and when it wasn't that was disappointing.

I never said (and I never will say) "UW should give me their art in the way I want at the price I want." But, that doesn't mean I'm wrong or evil for wishing that it would've been released in a way that I could access it. Moreover, with a "official unoffical" forum like Dirty, it makes sense to me to express this thought out loud, as there's an implict assumption that UW or their minions might see this and have it inform their opinion about how they want to release their art in the future. It really doesn't seem that egregious to me that I have done this (as have others). And its absolutely flummoxing to me why some of the folks who were able to buy this release see it necessary to lambast those of us who were just innocently trying to express our desire to experience the same art.

Anyway, if you've gotten this far, congrats. I'm done with my dissertation. ;-)

[ThingInABook]

Since when is this art? Its a catalogue and a CD... for an art exhibition. I havent bought it because I just want the CD and not the catalogue, which would no doubt gather dust after a brief flick through.

In Rainbows was a double CD and double vinyl box set of new music. Different product. And BwS is not 30quid. To Chile, its 40quid which is about 30,000 pesos. I guess some people dont see it as value for money and see it as fleecing the fans. I also think its a fair request to release just the CD in the future, though the people here who've paid through the nose for the catalogue+CD might feel a bit pissed off if/when that happens.

This is great for the people that can afford it and shit for those who cant.

well, the in rainbows comment was about the 'pay what you want' deal, which included the boxset at 40quid (what about paying 80.000chilean pesos? yeah, i did that and i don't regret it - stupid exchange rate BTW)

well, that's the price i pay for records here, specially deluxe editions or regular editions with something extra. that's the reason i can't complain about the price, not even the shipping, because records are expensive here (and books, that's another story). it would be neat to see the record at a price accessible for everyone, but it's a limited pressing and the low number of cds can justify its price, considering this was self produced. yeah, i'm not an endless sack of money, but i do save in case this things happen. i love and enjoy objects so i buy them if i have the chance.

[darktrain]

The full length of it

Seconded. Amen 100% word for word.

[Dirty0900]

Ok.

The CD has music which I listen to with my ears and has ambient sounds you might have heard on tour or on Peel sessions. There are also samples from records from Something Like A Mama so I hope no-one feels cheated. Mixed stuff going on from very experimental noise and even treading in to a murky world of dubstep in parts.

There is even a lyric in Tokyo 4 thats says "Born Slippy Is a Good Toilet Song". I shit you not, pardon the pun. Basically I think its better than the ambient drivel and noodling on some RiverRuns (opinion) and is well worth the price tag.

With the book, it is on nice paper and bound with about thirty pages or so featuring a lot of Karls work. Basically, I now don't have to look online at some of his artwork. I'll listen to the CD more than the book and I didn't expect to get the art the way it was. Thought it was going to be a small print that came with Barking.

I hope this clear something up.

[purlieu]

Stuff.

Yes, this puts it far more eloquently than the silly argument BrotherLovesDub and I got into. I do think it's important to voice opinions and worries about the access of music they are offering to fans, especially somewhere that is read by the band and their associates. Maybe they'll read this and change things in the future, and I think that'll be worth all the bitching and baby crying and so on.

ThingInABook - I run a very tiny label and I've released records in far smaller runs than this was released in with large artwork booklets, sold them for £5 and made a profit, so I'm still not sure how justified the price is. Thanks for the description, Dirty0900, that does at least make it sound worth the money on some level. If I was a fan of Karl's art, I suppose the price might be a bit more sensible. I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.

[TheBang]

I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.
Rick was originally going to let Karl do his own thing for the exhibition, and not be involved, but Karl specifically asked Rick to put together this album from his ambient works for the exhibition.

[stimpee]

I run a very tiny label and I've released records in far smaller runs than this was released in with large artwork booklets, sold them for £5 and made a profit, so I'm still not sure how justified the price is. I remember, I bought one from you once. Good stuff! Proper CD, proper colour card sleeve, a fiver. great value. I'm not saying this album should be a fiver but i see your example as a valid point.

[Bargo]

For anyone interested, it's back on sale at the shop. (and I caved in and ended up purchasing it)

[negative1]

Dirty0900, that does at least make it sound worth the money on some level. If I was a fan of Karl's art, I suppose the price might be a bit more sensible. I do wish they'd make the music available independently from the catalogue, though, especially considering that it evidently wasn't all recorded for the exhibition.

again, who is too decide whether every and all music that they
create will ever be released? and in what format?

just because it wasn't all recorded for the exhibition,
what difference does that make concerning it's status as
released for the exhbit only? [again i refer to earlier releases
like the anti-rom]

i'm sure there's a lot of licensing issues, and other things
involved with making a limited run of material available,
and the complexity of including and printing a book..

if you look back to the tokyo 3cd live concert, yeah it was too
bad that it only got released at that show... but maybe it was
a test run for the later series at liveherenow? and a few people
were fortunate enough to get extra copies from the band off ebay..

should they just never have released it?

anyways .. 'limited' is just that , a fixed amount made for a special
occasion.... i don't think this release, or dialogue should dissuade
them from doing further projects like this in the future...

---------------------------
in the end, they really can't win..

1) release something online only -> people complain that there isn't a physical release
(see riverrun series, alll the latest singles from 'barking')

2) release something physical only -> people complain that it isn't available digitally
(see the BWS album+book, tokyo 3xcd, underworld video compilations)

3) release something in vinyl only -> people complain that it isn't digital format
(some of the riverun singles, although most have been converted over now)

4) release something limited -> people complain about the price, and how hard it
is to get it, and in what formats etc... (the barking limited editions w/extra cd)

so looking at all the different combinations of how they could release something,
to make people 'happy'..

it boils down to releasing everything digitally, on vinyl, cd, and at a cheap cost..
which i just don't see happening anytime..

by the way, i'm not sure what arrangements bjork/depeche mode/pet shop boys
have... but they have been putting out a ton of singles, box sets, and all kinds of
other fancy formats of all the above for the last couple of albums... i'm sure they
have a larger audience, so that's something to take into account too..and also, their
limited editions are not 'cheap' either...

later
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it boils down to releasing everything digitally, on vinyl, cd, and at a cheap cost..
which i just don't see happening anytime..


I don't see why not. I mean, you really only need one physical format but really, how hard can it be to put this online for download. They have an online shop in place, it's just a matter of ripping the CD. I mean I really cannot see how it could take more than a few hours.

[negative1]

I don't see why not. I mean, you really only need one physical format but really, how hard can it be to put this online for download. They have an online shop in place, it's just a matter of ripping the CD. I mean I really cannot see how it could take more than a few hours.

if it really was that easy, don't you think they would have
done it already?

did you miss the part about licensing, distribution,
the artists intent, etc. etc..

i used to help out with the website for the band KMFDM,
and it took them awhile to get online tracks, the online store,
and a lot of other things done.. i remember it was difficult from
a legal/license viewpoint to do a lot of things.. (especially the
artwork part , because they had to deal with the artist BRUTE separately)..

just because it's easy to do, doesn't mean
it's easy TO GET DONE...

there's a lot more factors involved..

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[lowbit]

if [putting BwS up for sale digitally] really was that easy, don't you think they would have done it already?
Once you have decent infrastructure set up to put one item up for sale digitally, it's trivial to add more. And licensing etc shouldn't be a problem either, since it's their work and their sales outlet. I don't know why they haven't done it already, but yeah, it really is that easy.

[purlieu]

just because it wasn't all recorded for the exhibition,
what difference does that make concerning it's status as
released for the exhbit only? [again i refer to earlier releases
like the anti-rom]

i'm sure there's a lot of licensing issues, and other things
involved with making a limited run of material available,
and the complexity of including and printing a book..

The difference it makes is that it seems the catalogue is what's making it expensive - what's stopping them releasing the music on its own? If it was written and recorded specifically for the exhibition then maybe that would make more sense, but as the albums is compiled from existing music, I can't see why it can't be made available separate to the artwork.

I'm sure there's not a lot of licensing issues involved with making a limited run of material available. Having done it a few times myself, I know the costs involved and how easy it is. The only thing stopping them from doing it is not wanting to.
it boils down to releasing everything digitally, on vinyl, cd, and at a cheap cost..
which i just don't see happening anytime..
Releasing everything digitally and on CD at a cheap cost is not difficult or expensive. If there's enough call for it - which, as you've handily pointed out - there seems to be, maybe they should consider it.
Or maybe they really shouldn't care what their fans think and release what they want how they want. I'd personally prefer a band to take into account what their fans are saying. I'd personally prefer a band not to charge £30 for an hour's music if it's the only way of getting hold of it. I think it would be very decent of them to offer music at a more 'normal' price. The same as I think it would be very decent of the other bands you mentioned to do so too. Which, various other arguments and tangents aside, is the basic point here: they could make this music available to people who really want to hear it but can't afford to pay 3-4 times the normal amount for it, and they're choosing not to. Some people seem to think that's ok, others think it's not.

[froopy seal]

I understand that. But honestly I wonder why stuff like this is not released digitally. You can still have a physical copy, just give me the option to pay whatever to download it.Totally. Was just speaking for myself and do see your point. As I said, better digital-only at a reasonable price than not being able to hear it at all.

what did you thnk of the riverrun project then?

to me, that was some of the best work that they have done..

(although some of the tracks were available on vinyl), it was
mostly a digital release...

i think it was very significant when you look at their long list
of releases..Riverrun, to me, went under 'something they did because they always wanted to'. Although it surely is significant for their ambient catalogue and I do like bits of it, I never got quite into it. And this is partly due to it not being a physical, 'proper' release. If I think of Underworld albums, it's the six official studio works on CD, not including the Riverruns. Additionally, I'm all for the banging, patterns-y stuff. :)

just to be picky, if you're only referring to CD's, i classify those as digital medium
also..

maybe you were referring to just a physical release? but why limit it to CD's only?Point taken. So I should speak of 'non-physical releases'. CDs only because I grew up with the idea that an album is something you buy, hold in your hand, (rip to your hard drive,) and put on the shelf. I understand it's irrational and antique, and don't attempt to treat this view as universal.