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Old 07-16-2008, 01:32 PM
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GWB hates women
birth control pills = "abortion."

i imagine bush is sitting there, counting down the days until the end of his term, checking off his to-do list. his red pen is hovering anxiously over two of the entries, salivating for the moment when he finally gets to make his mark:

1) bomb iran
2) strip women of their rights

and condoleeza rice is standing obediently next to him, holding a sweating glass of celebratory scotch on the rocks, ready and waiting for that victorious swig.

god i hate these people.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:11 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
He really is quite bonkers, isn't he?

I am utterly speechless. I can only hope that this ridiculous Bill never sees the light of day.

Roll on November.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:58 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
This is pretty ridiculous. Birth control pills are lumped in with abortion? Whatever.

I can't say I think it's fair to say Bush hates women because of it....I'm sure he would justify this stance by saying the issue is more that he loves babies....but it's doing women no favors all the same. And men for that matter too. I know it's obviously the women who conceive, but men are far too frequently left out of the parenthood equation in discussions about who's affected by this stuff.
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Old 07-16-2008, 04:18 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
eliminating women's access to health care is the same thing as hating women. it is a horrible misogynistic thing to do.
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Old 07-16-2008, 04:19 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
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Roll on November.
january. he's still in office until january. he's got 6.5 more months of bushing it up a notch.
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:26 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
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eliminating women's access to health care is the same thing as hating women. it is a horrible misogynistic thing to do.
Well one, he's not "eliminating women's access to healthcare". He's equating birth control with abortion, which I agree is stupid, but that's a much narrower act than your broad statement implies.

Two, I know it may seem like semantics, but I always have a problem when anyone assumes that x must mean y, even if there is no direct correlation between the two. That's what frequently leads to things like unfounded charges of racism, or sexism, or the majority of stupid "gaffes" made by political candidates, etc. And even in Bush's case, while there are clearly many reasons to dislike him, I think we should still limit our reasons to factual issues rather than assumptions. I'm a big fan of accuracy, and it's simply inaccurate and unfounded to conclude that Bush equating birth control pills with abortion must mean that Bush hates women. But then maybe I'm wrong - can you illustrate the direct connection that would prove the accuracy of your conclusion?
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Old 07-16-2008, 07:08 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
what about babies' rights?!?

Just kidding.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:30 PM
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Re: GWB hates women
i know everyone is itching to do this, so i'll just relieve the tension and get it out of the way.

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Old 07-17-2008, 05:43 AM
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Re: GWB hates women
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Well one, he's not "eliminating women's access to healthcare". He's equating birth control with abortion, which I agree is stupid, but that's a much narrower act than your broad statement implies.

Two, I know it may seem like semantics, but I always have a problem when anyone assumes that x must mean y, even if there is no direct correlation between the two. That's what frequently leads to things like unfounded charges of racism, or sexism, or the majority of stupid "gaffes" made by political candidates, etc. And even in Bush's case, while there are clearly many reasons to dislike him, I think we should still limit our reasons to factual issues rather than assumptions. I'm a big fan of accuracy, and it's simply inaccurate and unfounded to conclude that Bush equating birth control pills with abortion must mean that Bush hates women. But then maybe I'm wrong - can you illustrate the direct connection that would prove the accuracy of your conclusion?
i already illustrated my proof. restricting or eliminating women's access to health care = policy that is detrimental specifically to women. it solely discriminates against women, it solely keeps women in a place of poorer health care access than men. you cannot be interested in preserving the rights or welfare of women if this is your idea of fair policy. thus, it is a woman hating policy.

ipso facto.

if bush were to enact a policy that specifically and solely restricted or eliminated african americans' access to health care we wouldn't be having this discussion. but once again we're going to quibble over it because hey, it's just chicks.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:45 AM
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Re: GWB hates women
Bush's view on this is absolutely LOATHSOME. It disgusts me.

I have no desire whatsoever to defend Bush. He's certainly placing women's rights BELOW other factors he considers more important.

However this isn't about defending Bush. It's about defending logic.

This might be something that someone who hates women would do.
It doesn't logically follow that someone who does this must hate women.

Someone may consider x more important than y. That doesn't mean they hate y.

Bush may hate women, but your logic doesn't prove it.

Draw a proper analogy with African Americans or homosexuals and the same logic will apply.
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