Holy fucked up healthcare reform Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Troy McClure]

Leave it to 'Ride or Die' Joe Biden to sum it up in 6 simple words today:

'This is a big f-ing deal'



I'm relieved and elated that this passed. The elimination of lifetime limits and pre-existing conditions are the most personal things to me.

Jason

[Deckard]

Cacophony - good post.

Question: how feasible is it that this could all be repealed at some point? I ask because support for it seems to have split the country 50/50 down the usual cultural fault line, and opposition to this particular issue seems unusually fierce.

With the balance of power inevitably seeping away from Dems, won't the Republicans make it their absolute priority to kill/reverse it, and won't that receive a good deal of support from a large and growing chunk of the country still muttering 'socialism' and 'tax dollars' in the same sentence?

Does optimism really hang on the belief that in 6-18 months, enough opponents or fence-sitters will have been converted into thinking "how could I have ever done without it?"

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deck - i'm wondering if it's another case of the anti-obama mob being comparatively small, but very vocal, whilst the supportive majority are happy to let their politicians do their will...

[cacophony]

stolen from someone who stole this from 4chan. hey, if mongoose can C/P, so can i!

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed energy corporation officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Pentagon misplaced $2.3 trillion.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.
You didn't get mad when the debt went up $5 trillion under Bush.
You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans... well fuck that.

[stimpee]

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by Deckard

Cacophony - good post.

Question: how feasible is it that this could all be repealed at some point? I ask because support for it seems to have split the country 50/50 down the usual cultural fault line, and opposition to this particular issue seems unusually fierce.

With the balance of power inevitably seeping away from Dems, won't the Republicans make it their absolute priority to kill/reverse it, and won't that receive a good deal of support from a large and growing chunk of the country still muttering 'socialism' and 'tax dollars' in the same sentence?

Does optimism really hang on the belief that in 6-18 months, enough opponents or fence-sitters will have been converted into thinking "how could I have ever done without it?"

I know you need a 2/3 majority to override a presidential veto. So if the Republican party's vision is to repeal the healthcare act, this is what they need for a strict party line veto override:

67 out of 100 Senators.
They have 41 currently.
There are 36 US Senator elections this November. Each major party has 18 seats. The GOP would have to hold on to their 18 plus gain 8 of the Dem. held sets. Extremely unlikely.


290 out of 435 House members.
The R's have 178 currently. So, they need 112 more seats than they have now. Super duper unlikely in one election.

Jason

[cacophony]

even if they have the votes, and they'd have to walk away with WAY more seats than are projected at this point for the november election, they're going to have a very hard time convincing people to give back the benefits they've been given. when the dust settles and people realize that most of the changes haven't hit their bottom lines, but their kids can stay on their policies until they're 26, they're going to be a lot more reluctant to tell their elected officials to go ahead and repeal the measure.

the problem with public opinion is that it's easy to get support when you're trying to stop something new and scary. but when the thing is already in the public's grubby little paws it can be damn near impossible to get the masses to agree to give it back.

it's why republicans looooooooove to argue against federal taxation for public programs but you'd never ever ever ever get them to support a measure to repeal social security. they've already got it and they ain't about to give it back.

[Deckard]

Thanks, that all makes sense now.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

Sweet dreams are made of these...


OH, AND THIS: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35917590...me_and_courts/

This has been boing on for a looooooong time already.

TOLD YA!!!!: http://wellness.blogs.time.com/2010/...drug-overdose/



Between 1999 and 2006 the number of people hospitalized for poisoning from prescription drugs including opioids (such as OxyContin and Vicodin) and tranquilizers and sedatives (depressants such as Valium, Xanax and Ambien) has increased by 65%—representing nearly twice the increase in hospitalizations due to overdose with other substances during the same time period , according to new research published in the May issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine. Analyzing data from the Nationwide Inpatient Sample (NIS), which accounts for some 8 million annual hospitalizations, researchers from West Virginia University and the University of Rochester determined that, during the period studied, intentional overdose on prescription opioids and depressants increased by 130%, while unintentional poisonings rose by 37%.During the seven-year study period, unintentional overdose with other substances increased by 21%, while intentional overdose with other substances grew by 53%.


Compared to patients admitted to the hospital for overdose with other drugs, researchers found that those hospitalized for opioid or sedative/tranquilizer-related poisoning were more likely to be women under age 34, were less likely to live in an urban area, and were more likely to have Medicare as their primary form of insurance. When they examined intentional versus unintentional overdose, the study authors found that men were admitted more frequently for accidental overdose, while women were more often hospitalized for intentional overdose. Those findings were consistent not only for opioid and depressant poisonings, but for all types of substance overdose.

The parallels between hospital admissions for drug overdose and growing numbers of death caused by overdose suggest that initial hospitalizations could provide an opportunity for intervention, the study authors suggest. In order to most effectively counter this growing trend of prescription drug abuse and overdose-related hospitalizations and death, the authors conclude, future research needs to examine "the contextual factors associated with these cases, and the association between hospitalization for prescription drug poisoning and subsequent fatal overdoses."



Y'all don't want to know the stories I have on this, trust me.

aaaaannnddd, cut & fade out with MM's The Dope Show . . .

[the mongoose]

Oh joy! RFID chips embedded under the skin!


From OpenCongress:

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes in it's lists of things that must be in registered in the NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY: ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable."

Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in
15formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"



What exactly is a class II device that is implantable?

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."





But what I want to know is will these new Chips come with some Dip to go with them?
If not, that's fucking lame.


Seriously though, I don't want no motherfucking Rothschild Chip in me. Creepy under the skin electro rice is not ever going down unless they force it upon me physically kicking and screaming. Here's Aaron Russo, the late friend of a Bilderberg All-Star (Jake Rockefeller) to explain the Elite's not-so secret goal of enslaving the serfs/peasants using RFID:



RIP: