Dutch on verge of getting most right wing government in the EU, in dutch history

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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...vote_again.php
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11438581
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11459404

Dutch party gives nod to coalition deal with Wilders

A pact to allow Dutch centre-right parties to form a government with the support of anti-Islamist populist Geert Wilders has cleared another hurdle. The Christian Democrats (CDA) ratified the deal at a meeting on Saturday by 68% in favour, with 32% opposed. As part of its programme, the government will ban the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands, parties say.

Dutch coalition deal involving Wilders takes shape

Dutch conservative parties have moved closer to a coalition deal hinging on the support of the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders.MPs from the Dutch Liberal Party accepted the deal, which ends months of deadlock, after it was approved by MPs from Mr Wilders' Freedom Party. The Christian Democrats are due to take a final decision by Saturday. Mr Wilders said earlier that even if his party did not enter government it would still have "enormous influence".

Under the deal, Dutch Liberal Party (VVD) leader Mark Rutte is set to become prime minister, forming a cabinet with Maxime Verhagen's Christian Democrats (CDA). With just 52 seats between the two parties in the 150-seat parliament, they propose to form a minority government, which would rely on the Freedom Party's 24 seats to pass legislation by a tiny margin.Mr Wilders is due to stand trial next week on charges of hate speech for allegedly insulting Islam.

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I remember being shocked that Wilders and his bunch scored so many seats. Admittedly, he seems to be intelligent and charismatic. In Germany we still have more than enough hateful, revisionist nutheads, some of them of a make similar to Wilders (the late Jürgen Rieger comes to mind).

What is it that people, voters see in those figures? Is it only the socially deprived, the unemployed, the bitter who are caught by those parties' hate speeches? A feeling of "Wow, there's somebody to oppose the corrupt establishment"? The imagination of "Finally, my vote is going to make a difference" (not caring about the contents of the party's programme)? Fear and selfishness, resulting in the hope that the banishment and discrimination of certain portions of culture and people will grant oneself an advantage in the struggle for relative wealth?

Or is it genuine xenophobia, ignorance and malice?

[bryantm3]

it's fairly well known that europeans hate muslims (more than we do, lol) and jews. don't ask me why, but it's pretty consistent over time; it's not a new thing: see the banning of ritual slaughter in many european countries going back to the 30s and 40s.

[froopy seal]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

it's fairly well known that europeans hate muslims (more than we do, lol) and jews. don't ask me why, but it's pretty consistent over time; it's not a new thing: see the banning of ritual slaughter in many european countries going back to the 30s and 40s.

Don't want to go too deep into the new-world-old-world-hate thing, buuuut this seems, if I may say so, a little, ahh, too straightforward for my taste...

[Eikman]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

it's fairly well known that europeans hate muslims (more than we do, lol) and jews.

you gotta be fucking kiddin me.

[Dunwho]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

it's fairly well known that europeans hate muslims (more than we do, lol) and jews. don't ask me why, but it's pretty consistent over time; it's not a new thing: see the banning of ritual slaughter in many european countries going back to the 30s and 40s.

I cant get my head around on how many levels.. that whole statement... start to finish.. is more a reflection of YOU rather than Europeans... i hope that was a joke... cus if it wasnt it was fairly retarded... ... no in fact scratch that... its very very retarded..

[lloyd]

it's bollocks too
For instance, You can't buy veal meat in .nl which isn't halal / kosher.
What is forbidden, like in lots of other countries, is home slaughter under non-controled conditions. BSE amongst other health reasons and ethical/animal rights got us laws for that. Not religion.

Mister Wilders, to our luck, isn't too smart (although he is intelligent). His press outings are clumsy and his attacks on others is trowing mud expressed in streetlingo. Should he be a smooth talker like say a Tony Blair, and spill the same hate he dos now, then he would have a mass following.
Now most votes were against the sitting government and traditional parties.

And now those voters have what they voted for, a minority government supported by Wilders and his party. A problem in the making.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by lloyd

it's bollocks too
For instance, You can't buy veal meat in .nl which isn't halal / kosher.
What is forbidden, like in lots of other countries, is home slaughter under non-controled conditions. BSE amongst other health reasons and ethical/animal rights got us laws for that. Not religion.

the 'government endorsed' method of slaughter involves shooting a nail into the brain of the animal, spreading brain matter throughout the rest of the animal. you tell me how that is more safe than the traditional method. sounds either nanny state or anti-semetic.

i'm not saying the US doesn't have its problems. out west (and here in the south as well, but GA is kind of more the 'southeast' than it is like TX, LA, MS, etc.) there is a lot of racism towards immigrant (and non-immigrant) hispanics, and it's completely intolerable by me. i went with my family to buy a car a couple of years ago, and the guy who did a test drive with us started making these broad-sweeping statements about hispanics, and we decided we'd never go back there again, forget buying their car.

but as much as the US is known for it's racism against hispanics, europe is known for its racism against muslims and jews. i mean, look at france for goodness' sake. they've treated the algerians who have been there for generations like second class citizens for a very long time. if you want proof look at the riots a few years back.

the same thing goes for banning kippot, taqiyah, islamic veils, etc. over the past few years. it's not 'separation of church and state', it's removal of basic human rights through thinly-veiled racism.

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Originally Posted by bryantm3

the 'government endorsed' method of slaughter involves shooting a nail into the brain of the animal, spreading brain matter throughout the rest of the animal. you tell me how that is more safe than the traditional method. sounds either nanny state or anti-semetic.

EU has had cartridge based captive bolt stunning for around 15 years. Unlike the pneumatic based bolt stunning, it doesnt carry the risk of brain matter being spread into the animal. Pneumatic bolt stunning is banned in the EU, but not in the USA.

Not sure what the tight BSE-related EU regulations on animal slaughter have to do with Geert Wilders but carry on. I think the proportion of people active in ritual slaughter of animals in the Netherlands is very very small. The Netherlands is a massive producer of (halal) food on a big scale.

[human151]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

the 'government endorsed' method of slaughter involves shooting a nail into the brain of the animal, spreading brain matter throughout the rest of the animal. you tell me how that is more safe than the traditional method. sounds either nanny state or anti-semetic.

i'm not saying the US doesn't have its problems. out west (and here in the south as well, but GA is kind of more the 'southeast' than it is like TX, LA, MS, etc.) there is a lot of racism towards immigrant (and non-immigrant) hispanics, and it's completely intolerable by me. i went with my family to buy a car a couple of years ago, and the guy who did a test drive with us started making these broad-sweeping statements about hispanics, and we decided we'd never go back there again, forget buying their car.

but as much as the US is known for it's racism against hispanics, europe is known for its racism against muslims and jews. i mean, look at france for goodness' sake. they've treated the algerians who have been there for generations like second class citizens for a very long time. if you want proof look at the riots a few years back.

the same thing goes for banning kippot, taqiyah, islamic veils, etc. over the past few years. it's not 'separation of church and state', it's removal of basic human rights through thinly-veiled racism.

The US is known for racism against hispanics? Are you fucking kidding me?

THe main problem with the muslims in france is that they don't want to be French. If you're going to move to a new country atleast respect the culture of the country your moving to. Immigrants usually immigrate somewhere for a better life, and with hard work they usually get a better life. The least they could do is try to adapt, just a little, to the new coutries' culture. But a very large percentage of muslims choose to live as if they're still in a muslim country. I went to London recently and say many muslim women walking around with the black costume all over their body and face. Even if you disagree with me, you must admit this is disrespectful to the established culture. There are even so called "no go zones".

"Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-Muslims.html

Things like this is very respectful to a country which has allowed people from another culture to immigrate there.