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Old 02-11-2009, 09:37 AM
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The Holocaust-denying Bishop
There's an interesting interview out with the Catholic Bishop, Richard Williamson, whose excommunication over Holocaust denial was just repealed by the Pope. It's no coincidence that his name happens to be "Dick" - the guy seriously sounds like an ignorant dick to me, trying to justify anti-semitism with quotes from scripture and such:

SPIEGEL: Your position on Judaism is consistently anti-Semitic.

Williamson: St. Paul put it this way: The Jews are beloved for the sake of Our Father, but our enemies for the sake of the gospel.

Way to go, Bishop!
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Old 02-11-2009, 10:23 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
I was pretty stunned when this happened. My understanding is that he hasn't retained his Bishop status, although I may be wrong.

I realise the Catholic Church is concerned about factionalisation, but they shouldn't be giving any kind of platform to anti-semitism. Not good.
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:35 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
To deny the Holocaust is pretty stupid all around.

However, the parts on calling him anti-Semitic doesn't jive with me. Why is he called anti-Semitic when he is following what the gospels say? To say this, then all Christians are anti-Semitic- which sounds ever dumber since Jesus was a Jew! The Jews denied the Jesus was the Messiah, there is no arguing this. Therefore, when you come down to it, they are enemies to the gospel, just like Paul said.

I have serious issues with the word anti-Semitic because it is used today as a term for anyone who criticizes anything Jewish or Israeli.

As a side note, I don't believe that Christianity today is the religion taught by Jesus. Rather it is the doctrine created by Paul. Nor do I advocate what Paul says anywhere in the New Testament, as he went against all the Disciples with his thoughts and ideas. A fact which is interesting, since who would know more about what Jesus taught then the actual people who were with him while he preached. However, from the perspective of a Catholic Bishop, who uses the gospel as his code of belief, then there is no denying that Williamson is correct with his belief in this regard (not the belief of denying the Holocaust).
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Old 02-12-2009, 03:53 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
"As a side note, I don't believe that Christianity today is the religion taught by Jesus. Rather it is the doctrine created by Paul."

Very much in agreement with that.
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Old 02-12-2009, 04:56 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
"If I realize that I have made an error, I will apologize."

The question is, just what will it take for him to realise he's made an error?
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
The fact that he hasn't realized his error speaks volumes... ...for his ignorance and arrogance.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:43 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
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I have serious issues with the word anti-Semitic because it is used today as a term for anyone who criticizes anything Jewish or Israeli.
I agree when it comes to israel's foreign policy, or jewish americans hijacking my own country's foreign policy. I *strongly* disagree that it isn't disgustingly hateful to point to an ethnic group and claim my religion sayz you're evil. i don't know how you could be more anti semitic.
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:37 AM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
their priorities are out of place. i'm not saying that less important issues aren't valid, but honestly, we need to focus on more pressing issues affecting our own species before we start fretting about canines.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:42 PM
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I have serious issues with the word anti-Semitic because it is used today as a term for anyone who criticizes anything Jewish or Israeli.
but in the context of this debate, holocaust denial is an anti-semitic tool...
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:30 PM
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Re: The Holocaust-denying Bishop
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To deny the Holocaust is pretty stupid all around.

However, the parts on calling him anti-Semitic doesn't jive with me. Why is he called anti-Semitic when he is following what the gospels say?
It strikes me that he's not actually "following what the gospels say" as much as he is trying to use the gospel to justify his anti-semitic views. That's why he's called anti-semitic.

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I have serious issues with the word anti-Semitic because it is used today as a term for anyone who criticizes anything Jewish or Israeli.
I'm curious why you have a particular problem with the overuse of the charge of anti-semitism. I would say that there are many terms being overused these days - sexist, racist, homophobe - all applied to people far too freely over issues that often aren't actually rooted in sexism, racism, or homophobia. Do you feel that labels like these are over-used as well, or do you mainly just feel that way about "anti-semitism"?
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