is there anyone else who is pro-life AND pro-gay rights, or is it just me?

[bryantm3]

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[IsiliRunite]

I find the pro-life position prioritizes the more fundamental right of life (as opposed to the less fundamental right to end a life) and gay rights support the equally important pursuit of happiness. I guess I'm pro-life and pro-gay rights, then.

I'm not a big fan of government deeming anything to be "marriage" and consequently giving partial treatment to those who are married, but whatever...

[stimpee]

I find the term pro-life to be very deceptive. everyone is pro life. everyone loves life. just depends on how far you want to go. they need a new term.

I think its sad now that when I think of pro-life I think of people who murder doctors. Hardly pro-life is it.

[Rog]

Originally Posted by stimpee

I find the term pro-life to be very deceptive. everyone is pro life. everyone loves life. just depends on how far you want to go. they need a new term.

I think its sad now that when I think of pro-life I think of people who murder doctors. Hardly pro-life is it.

my sentiments exactly.

Also its funny how many blokes are 'pro-life'

Instead of 'pro-life' Bryant, wouldn't you be better off describing yourself as Anti-abortion?

[Deckard]

pro-life AND pro-gay rights

No contradiction there, but obviously a lot of pro-lifers' opposition to gay rights tends to result from the common factor of the Bible and more specifically how they choose to interpret it. But that got me thinking: I wonder which is more uncommon amongst self-described conservatives: being anti-gay rights or anti-abortion?

[Strangelet]

Anyway I'm very much anti-life. In fact when I go out for a hike, and I'm in the mountains surrounded by nature I get really mean and say "god i hate all this fucking life everywhere."

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Rog

Instead of 'pro-life' Bryant, wouldn't you be better off describing yourself as Anti-abortion?

anti-abortion, yes. and i can think of a number of more accurate ways to describe the position:

anti-choice, anti-individual rights, anti-women's health rights, pro-government intrusion, pro-government legislation over individual bodies, pro-revokation of individual civil rights, pro-punishment for reproductive females

etc etc

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by cacophony

anti-abortion, yes. and i can think of a number of more accurate ways to describe the position:

anti-choice, anti-individual rights, anti-women's health rights, pro-government intrusion, pro-government legislation over individual bodies, pro-revokation of individual civil rights, pro-punishment for reproductive females

etc etc

all of these things are not what my position (i don't know about others) stands for. i believe a woman has as much right as a man to do anything with her body that she wishes. however, once a child is conceived, i believe, and it is hard to disprove, that a child is alive and no longer part of the individual such as oocytes or semen. indeed, the child still depends on the mother for a nurturing environment in the womb and nutrition, but a newborn child does as well, and cannot survive on its own. arguing that a week old child is not a person vs. a newborn child is almost the same comparison as arguing that a newborn child is not a person vs. an adult.

so, to me, it's not about removing 'women's rights', it's about protecting the right of an individual to live who cannot stand up for her/his self. if it were in any way possible to safely 'adopt' a child still in the womb to another woman, i would support that procedure.

i do believe that a woman has a right to prevent herself from becoming pregnant if she wishes, via condoms, foam, diaphragms, etc.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I don't know about you lot, but I think someone's telling the self-righteous holier-than-thou type to kiss his ass:

[Deckard]

Is that the crack of dawn, jOHN?

Btw,

(Hey it's holiday time. Serious can wait.)