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Re: The beginning of the end for P2Ps/Torrent Sites?
Ben Goldacre did his usual expert hatchet job on the dodgy statistics being bandied about by industry and government as to how much revenue is "lost" as a result of downloading in his Bad Science column in the Grauniad.
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Don't get me wrong, I have no great love of big-ass record labels, or even big movie studios despite being employed by one. If I didn't need money to survive, I would be working on my own projects all the time, not on these gigantic, "four-quadrant", hundred million dollar movies. But that being said, people and companies are entitled to protecting their products and belongings. Pre-digital age, the equivalent of "Pirate Bay" would be something like "Shoplift Express", and they would be providing the means to remove those bulky old CD security cases that they used to use in music stores. But would we be having a debate about whether it was right or wrong to purposefully facilitate shoplifting? Probably not. Somehow, because we're talking about digital files being stolen instead of physical products, it's become something to support and even celebrate in many people's eyes. And just in case anyone has missed when I've said it in the past, I also don't agree with the harsh measures being taken by large labels/studios - there's no justification to absolutely destroy Jane or John Doe's entire financial existence as retribution for having a few hundred illegally downloaded songs. They could just demand the cost of the illegal files along with a reasonable fine to discourage illegal behavior, and call it even. But to pretend that there's nothing wrong with stealing music or movie files is, in my opinion, ignorant, selfish, short-sighted, and typically damaging to small, independent artists. A company like Pirate Bay sets a horrible example, and I'm all for seeing them shut down, or forced to modify their business model to be in line with copyright laws. As a professional artist both in film and music, I've witnessed artists being screwed over time and time again when they didn't have proper copyright protections in place, so to see the power of copyrights being nullified is extremely disheartening.
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Download all my remixes Last edited by Sean; 06-08-2009 at 05:17 PM. |
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And in Australia - they're going after the music that's played in cafe's, gyms, shops, the pub....
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Or. SHOCK HORROR! They'll source Creative commons licensed music - or get tunes direct from the artist and holy hell - the big record labels are still screwed. What a sad bunch of little people run organisations like the PPCA.
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Agreed - I think most people would understand a nominal increase - but this just seems like an insane amount to ask - during a recession, when most small businesses are struggling anyway.
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Just came across some interesting stuff in a profile page of one of the smaller, independent musicians I've been mentioning that has suffered from illegal file-sharing:
The changes in the technologies and the attitudes of everyone toward the World Wide Web are all extremely exciting to me. Even so, my last three records have been stolen in their entirety by torrent sites and as a result, sadly we can no longer release records. It has been extremely frustrating but like many of my fellow artists, I feel that at least my work is out there and being listened to. I do get many promises from folk who say they love the music. I even get emails of great encouragement, but if everyone that visited my profile on Myspace, Facebook, or my personal site bought just one track for £1 or even an album, it would make a really big difference to us. So if you can afford to, please do visit, listen and BUY at julieishername.com How many of us are illegally downloading songs and tunes when we can afford to buy? Make no mistake! IT IS KILLING NEW MUSIC AND STARVING OUT OTHERWISE EMERGENT ARTISTS! With the entire hullabaloo about how bigger labels and chart artists are losing millions, it is the smaller, independent labels that are hardest hit by this. Most have no option but to shut up shop if more than one record get torrented. We can never make our outlay back nor pay our already long-suffering and underpaid artists their due (myself included). Skipping ahead... It is the bigger torrent sites, their organisers like The Pirate Bay and their internet service providers that must be taken to task now. They like to come across as if they are freedom fighters and rebels when in fact they are all just organized chancers and rip off merchants that make a lot of money gleaned from advertising while using the vehicle of OUR songs that they give away for free! IT IS, INDISPUTABLY, FRAUD! I believe that if most people were properly educated about the ramifications of illegal downloading for lesser-known artists, they would be more inclined toward the support of artists- especially if they know that their money goes into the pocket of artists direct. You can see from my obsessive rant that this has rather taken up all head space for some time now but I don't apologize for being so passionate or for feeling so cross and protective about the work that I create. Just thought I'd share since it comes from a musician/record label owner who has suffered the severe negative affects of illegal file sharing directly. I really hope that some of this information has some impact on someone out there, because the damage being heaped on independent artists by the actions of so many people out there is a huge problem. It's hard enough establishing yourself as a professional artist without then having your professional work stolen out from under you.
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Download all my remixes Last edited by Sean; 07-27-2009 at 11:49 AM. |
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I think you're reading that wrong; they're actually asking for a 200000% increase. Good luck!!
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And even the monetary investments aside, there's the time and creative investment put in by the artists themselves. This is their livelihood. Like anyone, they can only afford to continue to do their job - making music - if it provides them with enough financial return to fund the process. If they put in the time and effort to create something and make it available for purchase, but you simply take it for free, then what return are they getting to make it possible for them to make more? Do you do something for a living that you could afford to continue doing even if it meant you'd be losing money rather than getting a paycheck? And ultimately, when you take something that doesn't belong to you from someone that you're not supposed to, whether it's a physical item or intellectual property, it's stealing. Actually, are you familiar with the concept of intellectual property? You may not be based on your repeated claims that illegally downloading a digital file is somehow not stealing, or at the very least, not a problem.
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Download all my remixes Last edited by Sean; 07-27-2009 at 05:52 PM. |
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