Holy fucked up healthcare reform Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sarcasmo]

What tickles me immensely about people who talk about "connecting the dots," is just how many of the dots they're connecting don't actually exist.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

Confidentiality

What do you mean by this? You have the smoking gun to prove your points but can't share it thanks to a confidentiality agreement or something? I would think that if your point was valid, you'd be able to find at least some publicly available, reliable information out there to support it.

And holy crap - I just went for the first time to your link that quoted Obama. The portion of his statement that you shared here said:

OBAMA: We don't want a situation in which some child, even if they're an illegal immigrant, shows up in an emergency room with tuberculosis and nobody is giving them treatment, and then they're going back to the playground and playing next to our kids."

You provided this as evidence of the U.S. providing health care to illegal immigrants. What was interesting to me was when I went on to actually read the very next thing Obama says:

"So I think there is a basic standard of decency where if somebody is in a death situation or a severe illness, that we're going to provide them emergency care. But nobody has talked about providing health insurance to illegal immigrants. I want to make that absolutely clear."

And then in the article you linked about KidCare through the phrase "connecting the dots...", I had a hard time knowing which side of the debate you were trying to prove. The article outlines how on both sides of the aisle, the House voted overwhelmingly in favor of covering the children of illegal immigrants, but then there's this comment:

Immigrant advocates were caught off guard by the number of House members who stood up to fight for coverage of children here illegally, but said it likely wouldn't have a practical impact because of the need for documentation.

Rep. Bill Galvano, the sponsor of the bill agreed that there likely wouldn't be many - or maybe any - illegal immigrants who try to get into the program.

So anyway, your point is basically that the definitive information to counter all of this is not publicly available?

[the mongoose]

The fucking liar is called out on national TV!




Oh yeah, and here's more public proof that stuffs already rockin' and rollin':

Washington, DC—The National Council of La Raza (NCLR), the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, praises President Barack Obama and Congress for passing the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2009 with measures that strengthen health care for America’s children, including legal immigrant children. By signing this bill today, President Obama ensured health coverage for four million more children in the U.S. and ended a five-year waiting period for health care to which legal immigrant children and pregnant women have been subjected for more than a decade.

“President Obama’s signature on the CHIP reauthorization is a tangible demonstration of the Administration’s commitment to the Latino community,” said Janet MurguÃ*a, NCLR President and CEO. “Our nation’s leaders have made a wise choice to stand up for our communities in the face of unfounded attacks and do what’s right for children by strengthening this important health program. They have sided with what is in the best interest of our nation’s children instead of a divisive anti-immigrant minority that seeks to invoke fear among Americans.”

Americans overwhelmingly favor health coverage access for legal immigrant children; polling has shown that 79% of voters supported the elimination of the five-year waiting period. NCLR thanks the Administration and Congress and looks forward to continued collaboration to improve opportunities for all Americans.


I'm sure you guys will try to point out that it uses the term "legal" but also note the fact that it says that they would normally be waiting 5 years under the old rules before the bill was signed.....

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

I'm sure you guys will try to point out that it uses the term "legal"

are you for real?

ya know...its this type of bullshit that makes me want to be an immigrant myself.

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

The fucking liar is called out on national TV!

Kitchen Table? Meet Mongoose. Mongoose? Kitchen Table. We'll I'm sure you have a lot to talk about so I'll just leave you two alone on my ignore list.

[the mongoose]

Oh chill out, he apologized (sort of):

"This evening, I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the president's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," the statement said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility."

[Sean]

No surprise that you actually celebrate the stunningly inappropriate - not to mention ill-informed - behavior of Wilson. And I think it's safe to assume that he only apologized because he realized what an out-of-line tool he made himself look like in front of his peers, his President, and the entire world. Hard not to realize that when after his moroninc outburst, everyone in the room stopped and turned to stare at him for a moment. The guy has outed himself as an idiot who has no business holding public office. And ultimately, when there is actually language in the legislation that says "nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States", I'd say that Wilson (and you) are standing on pretty shaky ground.

But I have to say that I am a bit surprised you so confidently showcase legislation that will help insure legal immigrants as "public proof" that Obama wants to insure illegal immigrants, or as you say, "all of Mexico". You do understand the difference between the terms "legal" and "illegal", yes? At what point do you look at your argument as presented in this thread and realize that it comes across as nothing more than uninformed ramblings? You haven't presented any credible evidence, or even the tiniest fact to support your points. Not one. But you have resorted to trying to convince us that "legal" and "illegal" are the same thing - and with stunning confidence no less! Incredible.

[the mongoose]

Originally Posted by Sean

the legislation that says "nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States", I'd say that Wilson (and you) are standing on pretty shaky ground.

That's because they've fucking changed the very definition of "legal". That's why it's the perfect deception.


edit:......without changing the actual federal laws themselves.....

It's like saying:
"we're absolutely not giving out oreos today...only creme filled chocolate cookie sandwiches".

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

That's because they've fucking changed the very definition of "legal". That's why it's the perfect deception.


edit:......without changing the actual federal laws themselves.....

It's like saying:
"we're absolutely not giving out oreos today...only creme filled chocolate cookie sandwiches".

Yeah...okay. And your factually supported evidence of this is.......surprise surprise, still nothing beyond wild inferences and assumptions. I know I know, you have the smoking gun, but you signed a confidentiality agreement saying you couldn't share it with us. Give me a break. It's so ridiculously tedious listening to people like you. Congratulations. You've just earned spot number two on my ignore list.

Ahhhh....that's better.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

He's just saying that.


[QUOTE=Strangelet;115797
Kitchen Table? Meet Mongoose. Mongoose? Kitchen Table. We'll I'm sure you have a lot to talk about so I'll just leave you two alone on my ignore list.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like porn.