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Re: Jesse Ventura, American Badass
Apparently, you haven't caught on to the new lingo during times of recession.
You're just less stupid.
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Re: Jesse Ventura, American Badass
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Of course, you could always throw the last quote out since it came from Fox News, and everyone knows that 80% of the stuff they report is full of shit! Last edited by Future Proof; 05-23-2009 at 08:47 PM. |
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Another great thing Reagan did was 'Star Wars'. He was a genius. He knew that there was no feasible way to create a satellite weapon that could fire lasers at Russia, but did Russia know that? He scared the living crap out of the Kremlin, who, in response, began to hasten their own side of the arms race to catch up with the United States, while the US just waited for their communist system to completely run out of money because their government could only last for so long, since their topheavy government depended on consistent revenue from the citizens, who had no reason to work because a doctor made the same amount of money as a janitor. Reagan knew that the USSR would eventually collapse, but his actions sped up the conclusion of communism across Europe. |
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Re: Jesse Ventura, American Badass
hahahahahahahahaha! genius? you got to be joking! you must be getting him mixed up with his advisors mate............
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Sorry, this one's going to be about Reagan rather than Ventura.
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Remind me again, which adminstration helped supply Iraq with the components and expertise to produce those pesky WMD? Which administration not only turned a blind eye to Hussein's use of chemical gas on his own people, but extended his credit limit?! Which President was caught up in selling arms to Iran (officially listed at the time as a terrorist state, so in contravention not only of his camapign pledges but of the wider arms embargo)? Who was it who later lied about this to the nation? Then retracted that denial a week later? Who was crying "just say no" on the one hand while illegally supplying arms to the Nicaraguan Contras - involving the support of large scale drug traffikers - on the other? Are you ignorant of the above, or do these things genuinely seem less important to you than lowering personal income tax brackets? You bring up the Cold War. That you honestly think this man was "a genius" for "his" deliberate plan to use the Star wars program to speed up the demise of Soviet communism - just beggars belief. That you think Star Wars was a good thing in itself is a subject for another thread, but irrespective of that, you honestly believe this former actor was the genius behind the plan - assuming this was the plan? I realise a great many in America - perhaps the majority - will share your sentiments that he represents one of your "greatest presidents". The obvious response to that is to never underestimate the effectiveness of state actors, of perpetuating some great sweeping myth to get people to worship their leader - or at least airbrush out that which doesn't accord with his folksy teflon veneer. Reagan (or as I would view it, the Reagan administration) wasn't all bad, but one of your greatest? I just hope you meant to add "....of the last 5 serving presidents". |
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Reagan had his faults, this is true. Every president has their faults— you can look back for the negative and always find it.
For example, LBJ spearheaded the war in Vietnam, but do we look back and blame him for Vietnam? No, most of us look at the Great Society program, and see NPR, medicare, and PBS as benefits from his presidency. FDR tried to take control of the judicial branch by appointing three more supreme court justices to tilt the court in his direction, a violation of Article III of the constitution. But most people look back at FDR as a savior during the Great Depression and as a powerful leader in WWII. Abraham Lincoln circumvented Congress to start a war with the confederacy, and used the sedition act to lock up any newspaper reporters that disagreed with him, violating both Article I of the constitution and the first amendment. But do most people look back at these things? No, most people look back at Abraham Lincoln as a strong leader who reunited the country in its darkest hour, and ended slavery forever. In the same way, we can look back at Reagan's faults, such as the Iran contra and disapprove of his administration, but this can be done for any president. By the way, conveniently left out of your summary of the Iran contra scandal is the fact that Reagan was in on the deal to save hostages from terrorists. He was protecting the citizens of the US, the first and foremost job of the president. |
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His "masterful strategy" and his "single handedly" bringing down the communists is the biggest farce of an assertion in the history of politics. The soviet union was DOA before Reagan got elected based on 60 years of their own undoing. Kid Rock could have been president and the Soviet Union would have still gone down. And maybe without causing the inflation and recession that followed in the early 90's from the deficit spending. Nor causing the seeds of hostility from the actions of our own "good-guy" empire across the globe, that wasn't really an empire because we got to use the domino theory excuse for our hostilities. That being said, he did vastly simplify the tax code.
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Re: Jesse Ventura, American Badass
Some more than others, mate. The rule of law is the rule of law, regardless of their winning smile or quaffed hair do. And incidentally, I personally think Abe Lincoln and LBJ to be the more evil of our presidents.
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O.K., you're back to the normal stupid again.
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Re: Jesse Ventura, American Badass
Personally, I think Abe Lincoln was an extremely corrupt tyrant and I don't like him at all. But my point was that it all depends on what aspects you wish to study.
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