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Old 06-23-2011, 05:48 PM
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Speakey bits in the live shows
I need your help. There was a debate a few years ago re your fav spoken parts - Karl, via the diary, in his generous nature, provided us with the names of the people who provided the voices. Mine has to simply be from I'm a Big Sister etc. Anyways, I was listening to one of my total collection of LiveHereNow cds on the generic mp3 player (let's be honest, iPod - other mp3 players are availabble) and I heard the wonderful line "(sort-of) "waiting for the rain to wash the tears away" But I've now totally forgotten which cd this is on! It was late at night and I was a little tipsy! Please tell me. I've got the full set and as much as I love u/w, I don't want to listen to the whole kaboodle in order to find it again!! (btw, where on earth does that nutty English phrase "kaboodle" come from??) Google, methinks.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:19 PM
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Re: Speakey bits in the live shows
I don't think its on a Live Here Now CD, but its on the recording from Exit Festival they did a few years ago. Speech bit comes on before Lenny Penny kicks in.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:17 AM
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Re: Speakey bits in the live shows
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Originally Posted by crazysugarboy View Post
(btw, where on earth does that nutty English phrase "kaboodle" come from??) Google, methinks.
Here's what I found (extensive etymological remarks at the end):

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Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster Learner's Dictionary
ca·boo·dle /kəˈbu:dl̟/ noun

Meaning:
the whole (kit and) caboodle US, informal : everything
▪ Her father owned 5 houses and 12 cars, and when he died he left her the whole caboodle. ▪ You can buy one of the books every month, or buy the whole kit and caboodle at the same time.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/caboodle
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Originally Posted by Wiktionary
English
Alternative forms
kaboodle

Etymology
US slang, mid 19th century, thought to be from "kit and boodle"; "the whole boodle" is attested in the 1830s, and "the whole caboodle" in 1848.

Noun
caboodle (plural caboodles)
1. any large collection of things or people

Derived terms
kit and caboodle
the whole caboodle

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktion...boodle#English
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Meaning
A collection of things.

Origin
The words kit and caboodle have rather similar meanings.
A kit - is set of objects, as in a toolkit, or what a soldier would put in his kit-bag.
A caboodle (or boodle) - is an archaic term meaning group or collection, usually of people.
There are several phrases similar to the whole kit and caboodle, which is first recorded in that form in 1884. Most of them are of US origin and all the early citations are American. Caboodle was never in common use outside the USA and now has died out everywhere, apart from its use in this phrase.
- The whole kit - the whole of a soldier's necessaries, the contents of his knapsack. From Grose’s Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, 1785.
- The whole kit and boodle
Although this citation is slightly later than that of the final 'whole kit and caboodle', it's worth including as it gives a 19th-century version of the meaning of the term. It may still be a step along the way - either unrecorded before 1888 or recorded in an, as yet, undiscovered work. This piece, titled 'The Origin of Boodle', is from The Dunkirk Observer-Journal, New York, September 1888:
"It is probably derived from the Old-English word bottel, a bunch or a bundle, as a bottel of straw. "The whole kit and boodle of them" is a New England expression in common use, and the word in this sense means the whole lot. Latterly, boodle has come to be somewhat synonymous with the word pile, the term in use at the gaming table, and signifying a quantity of money. In the gaming sense, when a man has "lost his boodle", he has lost his pile or whole lot of money, whatever amount he happened to have with him."
- The whole kit and boiling (or bilin')
Sinclair Lewis, in 'Main Street', 1920:
"...and some of these college professors are just about as bad, the whole kit and bilin' of 'em are nothing in God's world but socialism in disguise!"
- The whole (or whool) boodle
From J. Neal's, 'Down-Easters', 1833:
"I know a feller 'twould whip the whool boodle of 'em an' give 'em six."
From Bangor Daily Whig And Courier, Maine, 1839:
"A whole squad have got to permit to see you.
Who are they?
I don't know, a whole boodle of them."
- The whole caboodle
From the Ohio State Journal, 1848:
"The whole caboodle will act upon the recommendation of the Ohio Sun."
Which brings us finally to the whole kit and caboodle
From the Syracuse Sunday Standard, New York, Nov, 1884:
"More audiences have been disappointed by him and by the whole kit-and-caboodle of his rivals."
It is most likely that these phrases were in use simultaneously and that there isn't a clear parentage of one to another. 'Kit and caboodle' had the advantage of the alliterative 'k' sound and that's doubtless why it has outlasted the others, which are now all fallen out of use.
What we can't confirm is that the word caboodle migrated from boodle in order to sound better when matched with kit. It is possible that that's what happened, but the dates of the known citations don't support it. Whole kit and caboodle, (1884) is recorded before whole kit and boodle, (1888) and whole caboodle comes well before both, in 1848. Perhaps that's just the inadequacy or either records or research and that citations with the appropriate dates will emerge later.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/k...-caboodle.html
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:08 PM
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Re: Speakey bits in the live shows
Thanks Froopy for your research - very interesting.
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:22 PM
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Re: Speakey bits in the live shows
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I don't think its on a Live Here Now CD, but its on the recording from Exit Festival they did a few years ago. Speech bit comes on before Lenny Penny kicks in.
I'm now thinking that I was so tipsy I imagined it! I so love the spoken parts, as much as I love the music and Karl's, at times, totally utterly random lyrics - I mean "Wind speed rising, summer's late this year, 2 snakes in a bed, I've got my freak machine"! It's so off the wall it's either genius or he's using a steam stripper!
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