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Old 03-15-2019, 08:00 AM
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It's funny to see such different opinions. Here's mine (using joethelion's template )

Dark & Long - 9
Mmm Skyscraper - 8
Surfboy - 9
Spoonman - 10
Tongue - 9
Dirty Epic - 9
Cowgirl - 8
River of Bass - 9
M.E. - 7


Juanita / Kiteless / To Dream of Love - 10
Banstyle / Sappys Curry - 10
Confusion the Waitress - 8
Rowla - 9
Pearls Girl - 8
Air Towel - 10
Blueski - 10
Stagger - 9


Cups - 10
Push Upstairs - 7
Jumbo - 8
King of Snake - 6
Winjer - 9
Skym - 9
Bruce Lee - 6
Kittens - 7
Push Downstairs - 5
Something Like a Mama - 10
Moaner - 9


Momove - 9
Two Months Off - 5
Twist - 7
Sola Sistim - 6
Little Speaker - 8
Trim - 5
Ess Gee - 1
Dinosaur Adventure 3D - 5
Ballet Lane - 5
Luetin - 10


Crocodile - 5
Beautiful Burnout - 5
Holding the Moth - 7
To Heal - 8
Ring Road - 6
Glam Bucket - 3
Boy Boy Boy - 5
Cuddle Bunny - 7
Faxed Invitation - 10
Good Morning Cockerel - 9
Best Mamgu Ever - 9
Loads of Birds - 9


Bird 1 - 5
ALAF - 3
Scribble - 2
Hamburg Hotel - 8
Grace - 7
Between Stars - 6
Diamond Jigsaw - 5
Moon in Water - 3
Louisiana - 2


I Exhale - 8
If Rah - 8
Low Burn - 10
Santiago Cuatro - 3
Motorhome - 2
Ova Nova - 8
Nylon Strung - 8
Twenty Three Blue - 10



STITI: 93 %
Dubno: 87 %
BF: 78%
Barbara: 71 %
OWB: 69%
AHDO: 61 %
Barking: 46 %

Pretty much the order I had expected.

Seems I'm the only one who thinks Ess Gee is downright awful.
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:57 AM
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Seriously, what am I missing with Blueski? Everyone seems to score it highly but I honestly don't get it at all! When I get round to doing my scores it will get 0 as it is a waste of 3 minutes in my opinion! They could have put the full version of Rowla on STITI and squeezed in Oich Oich or Cherry Pie. I just don't get what everyone see's/hears in it? ����
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:08 PM
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found these kind of interesting. stagger is a beautiful track absolutely smeared by some poor lyrical choices, but that's just imo. i don't think we've talked much about it here


but Dino 3D. what a weird moment that was. the first sign that something was coming off the rails for me. the vocal treatment, the serviceable.. everything. the lyrics. such a dud track for me that i couldn't even hate it, it was just this lump in the middle of an album. didn't understand why it came all the way to us. seeing someone rate it highly makes me wonder if there's a different angle to it than the one i always assumed.
Funny, I didn't use to like Stagger much, thought it was a bummer way to end the album. But at some point, something about it clicked. It feels clautrophob and a bit dreaded, andi somehow relate. Tastes change with age.

Now, DA3D...I love this because it's a banger on a sometimes subdued record. Yeah, it's kind of a KOS retread, but I love that track and am fine with a relentless techno beast from time to time. Plus, when AHDO came out, I was doing a lot of 6-hour drives, and this record and Beaucoup Fish kept me alert and awake. Driving fast at night with Dino playing just seemed perfect.

Really, Underworld has scored so much of my adult life, I can't help but associate tracks with specific, personal memories.

Regarding Ess Gee and Blueski, and Santiago for that matter, I'm fine with Karl getting a little guitar noodling on record. He has such a textural sound and all of these tracks explore interesting takes on simple loops. I dunno, sometimes a breather in the middle is as good as a banger
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:43 PM
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like getting a slice of life bit after a bunch of set pieces. gives it space, something more everyday, and fits well into that world. they're not essential, but they're worth appreciating, and a good argument to feature, if an album is a statement.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:02 PM
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Blueski - 10

Ess Gee - 1
I'd love to understand this.

I'll never get the hate Ess Gee sometimes gets. It's such a pretty little piece, and it's only a couple of minutes long.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:23 PM
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like getting a slice of life bit after a bunch of set pieces. gives it space, something more everyday, and fits well into that world. they're not essential, but they're worth appreciating, and a good argument to feature, if an album is a statement.
I forgot about Santiago Quatro that's a 0 for me too! They disrupt the feel of the albums for me and don't fit in with the rest of the album.
The cynic in me says they are fillers and just add an extra track number so a non-die hard fan may be tempted by a longer album!

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Old 03-15-2019, 04:15 PM
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The cynic in me says they are fillers and just add an extra track number so a non-die hard fan may be tempted by a longer album!

that's kind of stupid, dude!
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:58 PM
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that's kind of stupid, dude!
Maybe, but if you think back to 1995 when cd albums were pretty much the only way music was released. Most albums were at least 10 tracks long (4/5 tracks = an ep, 7 was too few for a standard album) and the way record companies controlled how music was sold and packaged meant that to try and make a 7 track album (STITI - Blueski) look a little bit more like a 'normal' album they might stick a short filler track on.
It's just a thought I've had in the past and it's how it feels to me in the flow of the album.

I wonder if it's a little trick like when the last track on album has a 'secret track' after the end of the last track but it's after a few minutes of silence so it makes the album seem a bit longer- eg Massive Attack 100th Window at the end of Antistar there's 10 mins of noise so when you put the cd in it looks 10mins longer than it actually is!
I know I've got other albums from back then (that I can't remember right now) with similar things like that.

Maybe (as it seems) my cynicism is totally off the mark but there always used to be/still are 'filler tracks' on albums and I just feel that Blueski is one and SQ on BBWFASF is another and I am really surprised at how much love it seems to be getting!
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Old 03-16-2019, 01:08 AM
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So, here is mine, following dubman’s template.

I actually listened to everything listed here while scoring, but I was not able to fully listen to Barking, I cannot help myself, I just don’t like it.

Since I was at it, I also added my most listend to EP’s plus Teatime Dub Encounters (which I have not heard a whole lot, but do like) and Drift, because I listen to it the most right now.

short version:

Albums:
  • Second Toughest In the Infants: 100% (Europe LE 2 disk: 96%)
  • A Hundred Days Off: 90%
  • Beaucoup Fish: 87.2%
  • Oblivion With Bells: 83%
  • Barbara Barbara: 82.5%
  • Dubnobasswithmyheadman: 71%
  • Everything, Everything: 69%
  • Barking: 42% (2 disk version: 50%)

My Fav EPs:
  • DRIFT Episode 2 “ATOM”: 94%
  • Dark & Long (6 tack ep): 90%
  • Riverrun (incl. the mix): 89.5%
  • Pearls Girl (the US Version): 87%
  • DRIFT Episode 1 “DUST”: 86%
  • Dark & Long (4 track ep): 86%
  • Teatime Dub Encounters: 71%

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Dubnobasswithmyheadman
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Dark & Long: 8/10, MmmSkyscraper: 8/10, Surfboy: 7/10, Spoonman: 5/10, Tongue: 10/10, Dirty Epic: 6/10, Cowgirl: 7/10, River of Bass: 8/10, M.E.: 5/10

Total: 64 / 9 = 7.1111 = 71%

Dark & Long (4 track ep)
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Hall's mix: 8/10, Dark Train: 10/10, Most 'Ospitable: 7/10, 215 Miles: 9.5/10

Total: 34.5 / 4 = 8.625 = 86%

Dark & Long (6 tack ep)
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Dark & Long 7”: 8/10, Thing in a Book: 10/10, Spoon Deep: 8/10, Dark Hard: 9/10, Dark Train: 10/10, Burts: 9/10

Total: 54 / 6 = 9 = 90%



Second Toughest In the Infants (Europe LE, 2 disks)
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Juanita: 10/10, Banstyle: 10/10, Confusion: 10/10, Rowla: 10/10, Pearl's Girl: 10/10, Air Towel: 10/10, Blueski: 10/10, Stagger: 10/10
(Born Slippy (NUXX): 8/10, Rex 8/10)

Total: 100%

(With disc 2: Total: 96 / 10 = 9,6 = 96%)

Pearls Girl (the US Version)
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Pearl's Girl (Tin There): 10/10, Pearl's Girl (14996 version): 9/10, Puppies: 6/10, Oich Oich: 8/10, Cherry Pie: 10/10, Pearl's Girl (edit): 6/10, Pearl's Girl (album version): 10/10, Mosiac: 9.5/10, Deep Arch: 9.5/10

Total: 78 / 9 = 8.6667 = 87%

Beaucoup Fish
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Cups: 10/10, Push Upstairs: 10/10, Jumbo: 9/10, Shudder / King of Snake 8/10, Winjer: 6/10, Skym: 8/10, Bruce Lee: 7/10, Kittens: 10/10, Push Downstairs: 10/10, Something Like a Mama: 10/10, Moaner: 8/10 (I like the single “album version” better)

Total 96 / 11 = 8.72 = 87.2%

Everything, Everything
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Juanita / Kiteless: 6/10, Cups: 6/10, Push Upstairs: 8/10, Pearls Girl: 10/10, Jumbo: 5/10, Shudder / King of Snake: 7/10, Born Slippy (NUXX): 7/10, Rez / Cowgirl: 6/10

Total: 55/8 = 6.875 = 69% (no surprise I hardly listen to it, I also like the DVD playlist better, but especially it feels too constructed and most of the trex are too close to the actual studio versions…)

A Hundred Days Off
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Mo Move: 8/10, Two Months Off: 10/10, Twist: 9.5/10, Sola Sistim: 8.5/10, Little Speaker: 10/10, Trim: 8/10, Ess Gee: 7/10, Dinosaur Adventure 3D: 10/10, Ballet Lane: 9/10, Luetin: 10/10
Total: 90 / 10 = 9 = 90%


Riverrun
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Lovely Broken Thing
JAL to Tokyo: 10/10, Billy Goat: 8/10, Peggy Sussed: 6.5/10, Dub Shepard: 9/10, Lenny Penne: 10/10, Monkey Witness: 6/10, Witness: 8/10
Total: 59.5 / 7 = 8.5 = 85%

Pizza For Eggs
Food A Ready: 10/10, Back in the Fears: 10/10, Vanilla Monkey: 9/10, Flatz: 9/10, Ancient Phat Farm Coat: 9.5/10, Play Pig: 10/10
Total: 57.5 / 6 = 9.583333 = 96%

I'm a Big Sister And I'm A Girl, And I'm A Princess And This Is My Horse
Peach Tree: 10/10, Mowed Path: 9/10, Showlder: 6.5/10, Wedge: 8/10, 11 Hundred Hz: 10/10
Total: 43.5 / 5 = 8.7 = 87%

The Misterons Mix
Peach Tree: 9/10, Vanilla Monkey: 8/10, Lenny Penne: 8/10, Billy Goat: 9/10, Back In The Fears: 9/10, Play Pig (Pig & Dan mix 1): 10/10, Food A Ready: 10/10

Total: 63 / 7 = 9 = 90%

Total: 35.783 / 4 = 8.94583 = 89.5%


Oblivion With Bells
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Crocodile: 7/10, Beautiful Burnout: 9/10, Holding the Moth: 10/10, To Heal: 3/10, Ring Road: 9.5/10, Glam Bucket: 8.5/10, Boy Boy Boy: 9/10, Cuddle Bunny vs The Celtic Villages: 10/10, Faxed Invitation: 8/10, Good Morning Cockerel: 6.5/10, Best Mamgu Ever: 9/10, Loads of Birds: 10/10

Total: 99.5 / 12 =8.29 = 83%

Barking (both disks, because I like many trax on disk 2 much better)
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Bird 1: 3/10, Always Loved a Film: 2/10, Scribble: 5/10, Hamburg Hotel: 7/10, Grace: 7/10, Between Stars: 4/10, Diamond Jigsaw: 0/10, Moon in Water: 5/10, Louisiana: 0/10, Simple Peal: 9/10

(Disc 2: Strumpet Groove: 6/10, Always Loved a Film (Lemonworld mix): 8/10, You Do Scribble: 7/10, Hamburg Hotel Essex: 9/10, Grace (Telematic Peal mix): 8/10, Between Stars (Lemonworld mix): 6/10, Diamond Jigsaw (demo mix): 0/10, Moon in Water (Lemonworld mix): 7/10, Louisiana (Jumping the Cran): 2/10)

Total: 42 / 10 = 4.2 = 42%
(Disc 2: Total: 53 / 9 = 5.8888889 = 59%
Total: 95 / 19 = 5 = 50%)


Barbara Barbara
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I Exhale: 8/10, If Rah: 8/10, Low Burn: 10/10, Santiago Cuatro: 9/10, Motorhome: 8/10, Ova Nova: 6/10, Nylon Strung: 7/10, Twenty Three Blue: 10/10

Total: 66 / 8 = 8.25 = 82.5%

Teatime Dub Encounters
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Bells & Circles: 8/10, Trapped: 7/10, I’ll See Big: 6.5/10, Get Your Shirt: 7/10

Total: 28.5 / 4 = 7.125 = 71%

DRIFT Episode 1 “DUST”
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Intro (BYTWB): 6/10, Universe Of Can When Back: 9/10, Dexters Chalk: 10/10, Another Silent Way: 9/10, Low Between Zebras: 7.5/10, A Very Silent Way: 10/10

Total: 51.5/6 = 8.583333 = 86%

DRIFT Episode 2 “ATOM”
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Appleshine - Film Edit: 9/10, Molehill: 10/10, Threat Of Rain: 10/10, Brussels: 9/10, Soniamode: 10/10, Appleshine Continuum: 8.5/10

Total: 56.5/ 6 = 9.4166667 = 94%

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While I could not listen to barking, I at least can now put my dislike into words: This sounds like Rick and Vince Clark tried to have a love child, but the outcome is a latter day Depeche Mode album (I love everything DM made till Ultra, there it just starts to hurt my ears) and I do still like Erasure a good bit, but not enough. Oh, my.

[Edit:] I also own underneath the radar, and while I think it would easily get a 60 to 70% from me, I do not like to mix MK1 and 2. Its just to different and I do not have a digital copy at hand so I could not even listen. Ha. The 2nd one I have not heard, so, no opinions.

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Old 03-16-2019, 01:18 AM
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.........huh.

is hating on Nuxx really a thing?[/QUOTE]

Well, it is for me in a way. I got interested in Underworld because of it, but I never really liked it after listening to 2nd toughest.
I would actually argue I like the Darren Price Mixes from the Double Single way better. And if original mix, then I would prefer the 2003 12'' edit. I would not give it a zero, but a solid 4. I listen to it in concerts, but sometimes I skip.
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