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[BeautifulBurnout]

And are you really saying that you are not able to look back over the recent gigs and say "Jesus, Glam Bucket was absolutely amazing in NYC" or "Wow, that's the first time we have ever heard Bamboo - isn't it a lush piece" or "OMG they opened with an incredibly dark, rich Dirty Epic at Glasgow - how awesome is that?", or "Everybody Jack into KoS in the Manchester gig. Fantastic stuff", or "The whole energy of the Roundhouse 2 show is the best form we have seen the band on in a good while".

Those are just off the top of my head - if I took time to listen to the boots/CDs I am sure I could say another dozen things in the same vein about different gigs.

We aren't going to agree on this, because imo we are in completely different mind-sets. I don't see the need to be constantly critical of anybody or anything just because my own personal expectations might be different from the bigger picture. Maybe that's cos I'm old. Maybe it's cos I'm a hippy. Sure, one can give feedback. But when it is of the kind that says "they didn't play x or y or z" or that it was "the same gig as yesterday" (a statement that I will challenge anyone to be able to corroborate), it really serves no valid purpose other than to whine about what we wanted to hear.

We want it all; we want it straight away; we want it streamed; we want it on official recordings. And with the technology available, our wish is our command. That means that, quite differently from the years you have referred to in your post here, we are able to listen to it all in succession without having to wait months or even years for things to surface. Had you been provided with a different bootleg every few days for each concert in 98 or 2000, who is to say that you wouldn't have had the same feeling about those gigs? "Yeah, they played these tracks differently, but why is there no <insert title or improv> in there, and why are they keeping to the same formula?"

And Dirty0900's point is a very valid one too.

In any event, I fail to see what was so bland and formulaic about this particular gig. We had some gorgeous tracks and improvs in there: Nuxx with Monkey Wink - awesome and so full of energy; the bizarre, almost Spikee-sounding drumloop that was just before Glam Bucket; a fantastic Vangelis-esque improv "noodly" bit that lasted a good 2 or 3 minutes; the first time I have heard Boy Boy Boy live, which was superb and so much more moody and powerful than the album version (I know not everyone likes it, but still); a luscious version of PG, imo.

[dubman]

nuxx was notable, boy boy boy was a replica of the studio version, everything else passed by like cars on a freeway.

[King of Snake]

bravo Dubman. I wholeheartedly agree that as awesome and generous underworld & crew are in brining us all this live goodness, it shouldn't mean that they become excempt of criticism.
While I still immensely enjoy the liveshows, at the same time I find it disheartening to see that parts of it have become quite formulaic. You can pretty much predict 85% of the sets now with reasonable accuracy and with a few exceptions, they don't deviate much from proven concepts anymore (like 2nd half of the set is always gonna go roughly: BS Nuxx, King of Snake, Moaner, encore: Jumbo)

Let's not forget it is Underworld themselves who always keep telling us "we don't use setlists" and "we have no idea what we're gonna play when we go onstage" (come on, really?). They constantly tell us how everything is one big jam and we should expect the unexpected. So when they then proceed to play rather predictable sets I think it's totally valid to point that out.

[testudo]

Yeah, stating "we don't use setlists" drives me crazy... they really try to separate the 2 different markets of UW consumers with different info...

We have all seen the light mans setlists... we read as a collective all of their interviews. why lie?

I think the old ways of UW were: they used to be more experimental with their show(most of the time it was REALLY good), NOW they are more experimental with their tracks recorded and way of recording (not always so good)...

I am OK with all of it. I think what gets under my skin is us having to now pay for live recordings. period.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by testudo

I am OK with all of it. I think what gets under my skin is us having to now pay for live recordings. period.

You don't HAVE to pay. You can still go for the audience boot that sounds like it has been recorded in an old tin box with some squealy bird going "Ai-ai-ai-ai-ai" 2 feet from the concealed mic, and people talking about complete rubbish in the background if that's your bag. I know it isn't mine though.

[testudo]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

You don't HAVE to pay.

well you are right, i don't.

they still gave us many recordings from the soundboard, and there were many more radio and tv recordings (which I think UW halted in their contract with venues) due to the new UW ethos of charging for every bit.

I am really curious of what happens when UWlive starts in full swing with the new Riverruns.

[kowalski__]

they were brilliant. people should cut the crap and be thankful.

we have to respect artists.

[industri_studios]

This is crazy... when Karl made that "everyone wants stuff for free" comment during the last (or prior?) radio show - I thought "no - we're all willing to pay for this stuff..." - but seeing some of these posts, and the reaction to how they choose to do their shows, I can see where they're coming from.

It's a real bummer.

This band has been more transparent than almost any other - and yet that transparency has gotten them no end of grief. You have no idea what will and won't be offered for free on the new uwlive - but you complain because they HAVE charged for some of their live material? The Electraglide disc, these LHN discs... this is the best sounding live stuff I have (barring BB and EE)... and I'm glad to have it, and glad I could support the band in buying it.

It's all choice - and if you think you're being scammed -- don't partake. But coming here and complaining isn't going to change anything. If everyone spoke with their wallets, and no one bought these recordings, I'm sure the band would reconsider their stance... but most people seem happy to part with $30 for a good quality 2-Disc set, so clearly the minority are expecting this for free. What do all the people complaining here REALLY expect to come from this? Do you think whining will change the band's minds about how they distribute this stuff?

Sorry if this is a little "rant"ing... just my 2¢ - and no offense to anyone, this is directed as the complaints in general, not the complainants!

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by testudo

) due to the new UW ethos of charging for every bit.

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this is ridiculous and retarded.

[testudo]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

this is ridiculous and retarded.

hmmm... i guess you haven't been a fan for that long or are just very obtuse (and/or brainwashed)...

UWlive used to give SOOOO much to us, and I LOVED THEM for it...