Paul Van Dyk is a musical genius. How amazing will he make Diamond Jigsaw?

[big screen satellite]

listen to the guitar solo at 4:20 onwards - tell me that isn't a riff straight out the New Order school of rock...

which, imo, makes this track even more awesome....

Underworld, I love you more than the way you used to love me....

[bazwint]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

listen to the guitar solo at 4:20 onwards - tell me that isn't a riff straight out the New Order school of rock...

which, imo, makes this track even more awesome....

Live it reminded me more of Robert Smith but either is good news for me

[King of Snake]

btw I liked Diamond Jigsaw from the start and I still do. The New Order-ish guitar is a nice bonus in this version I think. It's simple but fun, kinda like TMO

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.

sadly thats their job and thats what works for them, UW needed these elements to make this album what it is though... it needed undersimplyfying if thats a word...

UW, Rick, in particular, can make their sound too complex and difficult for 'normal' persons ears and as such the touches by the external producers have generified this album for the better.

I know most ppl don't want UW to be a generic band, but thats what they guys wanted with this album - to make it accessible - and thats what it is... the strangest thing i have noticed is that ppl who are undecided about the tracks on Barking like different tracks, some like the poppy numbers some like the downbeat tracks, but most like some elements...

If Diamond Jigsaw was released without knowledge of PvD's production - no one would have noticed, because its the same song UW wrote, and it maintains most UW elemets, including a Guitar which KH has been playing for over 30 years... don't forget KH was a session guitarist for many people back in the old days before most of you were born...

keep the faith guys...

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.

If anything Diamond Jigsaw's drums sounds more like a rock band than tech-house. Who knows if it was Rick or PVD who programmed those. UW have done plenty of tracks with very simple rhythms. We've definitely heard UW do a bit more rock-style sounds in recent times (Boy Boy Boy, that Manic Street Preachers remix...).
Can't really say I agree with you about Knight & Ramirez doing boring programming either. There's a lot of details in the rhythms of ALAF and Between Stars (have you listened on a good pair of headphones?), and who knows which bits were programmed by who? Personally I was kinda getting tired of all the shakers and bongo's on the previous two UW albums and appreciate a little bit of a different, more varied sound. The rhythm sounds (fucking synth plop) on Bird 1 are pretty bad though

[eturnol]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.

EXACTLY. Underworlds production is intricate, detailed, evolving, and all around more mature than EVERYONE they worked with on this album. These collaborators should be learning from Underworld, not producing them. If you compare any of the new tracks with the older tracks, the new just fall back to repeating hooks, boring drum work, and the old epic trance peaks and valleys. This album in uninspired and mainstream. What were they thinking???

[Sappys Curry]

Originally Posted by eturnol

EXACTLY. Underworlds production is intricate, detailed, evolving, and all around more mature than EVERYONE they worked with on this album. These collaborators should be learning from Underworld, not producing them. If you compare any of the new tracks with the older tracks, the new just fall back to repeating hooks, boring drum work, and the old epic trance peaks and valleys. This album in uninspired and mainstream. What were they thinking???

Yeah, I'm fine with Barking, not too impressed with it, but it is a decent album. I just hope that the next Underworld album is just Rick, Karl, and maybe Darren Price (what I'm saying is hopefully it won't be full of collaborations like Barking).

However, it would be cool if for an album they decided to collaborate with artists like Massive Attack, Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Boards of Canada, and Aphex Twin.

[eturnol]

Originally Posted by Sappys Curry

However, it would be cool if for an album they decided to collaborate with artists like Massive Attack, Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Boards of Canada, and Aphex Twin.

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.

[jose m]

Originally Posted by eturnol

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.

the chemical brothers,aphex twin,massive attack.........back to the 90's.
fresh

[scary man]

Originally Posted by eturnol

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.

IDM is the most vile thing to call any type of music. Ugh.