will everyone just stop...

[Malt Refund]

Originally Posted by taoyoyo

i bought it/downloaded it this morning, just tried re-downloading and it's still 160... will only new customers get the 192 version? *mock-whimper*

I had 160 at first and just now redownloaded to 192. Just so everyone knows, it works even if you had 160. Try again. ^__^

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by lowbit

Glad to hear it's been bumped up to 192 kbps!

(However I have to say that the posts from the "shut the fuck up" faction on here are about ten times as irritating and offensive as any complaints that have been posted. Really out of line.)

I don't think anyone was saying 'shut the fuck up' everyone's entitled to their opinion its just how you go about making it that bugged us "anti-moaners".

Personally, I was just politely pointing out how best to go about making a point rather than flaming the band and the guys at the Lemon, because they are doing this for us, and if the download wasn't to someones liking, shouting and moaning about it doesn't generally help. Frankly I was embarrassed and felt the need to say something here.

Had someone just calmly wrote that it seemed odd that the download was at a different bitrate this time around, it would still have been sorted, from what i understand it was an honest mistake, why else would they change the bitrate this time (not that it really mattered) - a nice calm discussion about this would have been just as welcomed rather than some of the nasty posts that were made.

My overall point really was about the contstant moaning from everyopne about the whole recent output by Underworld, including the Tokyo CD release, lack of touring, CC problems with the downloads etc., some people here want everything yesterday and want it hand fed to them, there are ways and means, and proper channels, i don't wanna preach forum etique because i think that sucks, but we are all grown up people, and by not thinking before you post some nasty shit from the comfort zone behind your computer screen is just weak.

No one is trying to screw over anyone else, and i'm sure if people here write their posts in a way that allows for a decent response then it will come - whoever its from - there are enough people posting here who are polite and know a fair bit about what goes on behind the scenes at Lemonworld and Dirty, and will answer your questions or comments, but being angry and shirty doesn't convey a friendly forum atmosphere which we generally have 99% of the time here. We want more people to join in and talk here, please people don't frighten them away with the constant whining and moaning.

right thats me done...

Matt

[froopy seal]

Generally, I'm not a follower of slogans but we have a saying here in Teutonia that I find quite fitting in this context. It goes, literally translated (don't know the English equivalent), "The notes are making the music". Does that make sense? [/advice mode]

[*_*]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

You do understand that to get things at the level that you think it should be able to be enjoyed at, that on top of having a super-fast bitrate that the work would've had to have been mastered, right?

I do understand. And agree that there is definitely a fair amount of give that has to be allowed for considering the circumstances underwhich the material is being released.

But, I'd like to hear their work in all it's "unmastered" goodness! Rather than a congested, artifact-ridden, bottlenecked version.

Or as absolutely darn close as allowable. And Underworl can surely afford to release 192-320Kbps mp3s!

That's the (trivial?) issue.

But then again, I suppose that most people aren't listening with $400 reference headphones and a $300 DAC. (I mean this in the most uncondescending manner possible, really. There are those with $3000-$4000 reference headphones/$5000 DACs... and so on. It get ludicrous in "audiophile" land!)

My point is that's it's all relative. Those who are content with run-of-the-mill consumer grade set-ups don't understand the issue.

Someone in this thread wanted proof (not gonna go searching through this abortion of a thread to pin-point who exactly) that there's a difference between the 160kbps mp3 and the 192kbps mps. Well, go blow a few grand on some decent equipment and prove it to yourself. I'm not gonna ABx this stuff and fill up screens with subjective mumbo-jumbo in an attempt to convince anyone what I'm hearing. But I do hear noticeable differences.

[*_*]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

right thats me done...

Matt

*pheuww*

[Cadevil]

"The medium is the message"...someone smart said that once.

I wonder if anyone thought...about why Underworld are releasing this stuff the way they are...both in format and bitrate...and whatever else.

It's released how it is...if you hear sound artefacts...great! That's part of what makes it what it is...just as with the extra hiss before dolby casette tapes, and crackling on old vinyl.

It's the character of the sound....my 2 cents/pence.

[taoyoyo]

Originally Posted by Malt Refund

I had 160 at first and just now redownloaded to 192. Just so everyone knows, it works even if you had 160. Try again. ^__^

cheers malt... will try again later!

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by *_*

I do understand. And agree that there is definitely a fair amount of give that has to be allowed for considering the circumstances underwhich the material is being released.

But, I'd like to hear their work in all it's "unmastered" goodness! Rather than a congested, artifact-ridden, bottlenecked version.

Or as absolutely darn close as allowable. And Underworl can surely afford to release 192-320Kbps mp3s!

That's the (trivial?) issue.

But then again, I suppose that most people aren't listening with $400 reference headphones and a $300 DAC. (I mean this in the most uncondescending manner possible, really. There are those with $3000-$4000 reference headphones/$5000 DACs... and so on. It get ludicrous in "audiophile" land!)

My point is that's it's all relative. Those who are content with run-of-the-mill consumer grade set-ups don't understand the issue.

Someone in this thread wanted proof (not gonna go searching through this abortion of a thread to pin-point who exactly) that there's a difference between the 160kbps mp3 and the 192kbps mps. Well, go blow a few grand on some decent equipment and prove it to yourself. I'm not gonna ABx this stuff and fill up screens with subjective mumbo-jumbo in an attempt to convince anyone what I'm hearing. But I do hear noticeable differences.

Studio monitors getting fed by my E-Mu 1616m microdock here.

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by *_*

*pheuww*

well, actually i was gonna post something else...

so here goes....

About your previous post missing the point in this thread... (although i agree with you regarding the bit rate thing - and it bothers me not, its like 'why buy a HD TV, but the quality is better'... its a matter of preference, and affordability)

But this entire thread has got nothing to do with bit rates at all, its about how people go about voicing their concerns - and not whining, moaning or spitting out their dummies when all is not 100%...

Had someone started a simple thread pointing out the differences of bit rates and engaged a nice friendly discussion on it then i wouldn't have got so stressed out by people 'moaning' (and i know i'm not the only one ) but someone started screaming and shouting and then people jumped on the bandwagon and i just thought it was not on - and now its been rectified by the powers that be, and people are still not happy beacuse they should have made the bit rate higher, or released it in Flac or whatever...

people - just start a discussion, but don't bash anyone... we can talk this through... Underworld are watching and they do take note, but keep it freindly eh???

i am definitely done now...


love and peace

Matt

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

But this entire thread has got nothing to do with bit rates at all, its about how people go about voicing their concerns - and not whining, moaning or spitting out their dummies when all is not 100%...

people - just start a discussion, but don't bash anyone... we can talk this through... Underworld are watching and they do take note, but keep it freindly eh???

Agreed Matt. I'm not for people discussing the difference in bitrates or any other problems they may have but its this purely negative and attacking atttitude that annoys me. People, take a deep breath and count to 10. Think about what youre posting before having a good old moan. Ask for help, how to fix a problem, who to contact etc before going off on one, making demands in a hissy childish fit. I'm not talking about any particular person or any specific situation here before people start pointing fingers.

We're not a hippy community here but I'd like to see more positive vibes and less hating going on.